Seasoned_Greetings

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Seasoned_Greetings,

My wife is literally playing this game right now

Seasoned_Greetings,

Asserting this is obtusely ignoring the context that conservative voters have no qualms about voting for someone grossly immoral.

There aren’t conservatives out there saying “Yeah well I was gonna vote for Trump but he supports genociding Palestinians”.

The fact that conservatives don’t have this problem and everyone else does means that, yes, you are enabling Trump by not voting Biden. The “logic” necessarily does not work the other way around, even if you say it like some sort of clever gotcha with a complex emoji.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Why indeed? The fact is that not enough people vote for third parties for it to matter by an order of magnitude.

Conservatives don’t vote third party. When we do, we split our own vote in the face of a party that has their base on lock.

Because that logic is abundantly obvious, people don’t vote third party enough to make a difference. It’s a self fulfilling prophecy. And it’s so effective at actually splitting the vote that both parties have attempted running spoiler candidates in the past to do just that.

Why doesnt everyone just vote third party? Because enough people who could are afraid that it will mean degrading democracy by handing over the reigns if it doesn’t work, thereby creating the very problem that they are afraid of.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Only one explicitly right wing 3rd party was even an option in 2020, and Jorgensen ran libertarian, which is an ideology conservatives as a whole tend to reject. As evidenced by the ~1% of the vote she got.

this isn’t true

Are you sure about that?

Seasoned_Greetings, (edited )

Yeah, about 1% of the voting body. The point that conservatives don’t vote for a third party stands with a margin of error within 1%.

Contrast that to the 8 other independent or left leaning third parties on the ballot in 2020.

You’re trying to shut down my original point with a counter point that is both moot and also trying really hard to be made on a technicality.

Seasoned_Greetings,

One day you will get the point that the reality is that we as voters don’t make the rules.

Yeah, you’re right. We’re boxed into this shitty ass system. Grandstanding about how shitty it is doesn’t magically create a solution.

We vote for the least worst option and try to make progress towards a better situation in the future. It’s either that or we fall to actual fascists who would rather take the vote away.

Seasoned_Greetings,

What you said is technically correct, while ignoring the context.

Being technically correct about something that doesn’t change the overall picture and hailing it as the end of an argument is petty and dishonest.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Congratulations. You’ve proven me wrong that an inconsequential, literally marginal number of conservatives vote 3rd party.

That in itself doesn’t change my original point.

Here’s your award for being technically correct 🎖️

Seasoned_Greetings,

Gee thanks officer. I stated something that was correct to within 99% of my claim and cited a source. Good thing you were there to correct the remaining 1% for the poor readers out there who might have mistaken that error as significant

Seasoned_Greetings,

Yeah, I should have let it go about 3 comments back. I guess there’s no better time than the present

Seasoned_Greetings,

^ Someone who sees the problem and offers no solution, just like everyone else with their position

You can fly your pride flags all you want but you’re throwing Palestinians under the bus to protect your warmongering corporatist status quo

There are no good guys. Only bad guys and much worse guys. Guess you want to virtue signal your way into the much worse guy so you can feel better? That’s great, but maybe when we’re lynching lgbtq folk as well as Palestinians you might consider looking in a mirror and wondering if your inaction made things worse.

Or, more likely, you’ll complain about how doing something doesn’t matter while the actual fascists you can’t tell the difference between set their sights on another marginalized group.

Do something or join the people who are.

Seasoned_Greetings, (edited )

Ah yes, the old “my solutions are the only ones that work” Good luck with that.

By the way, deciding that everyone but you is a fascist is a great way to not have allies.

spread disinformation swearing up and down that leftists do nothing but tell people not to vote (which I’ve literally NEVER seen, by the way, not that fascists care about reality.)

Bro. Look around. There are people saying they won’t vote democrat here in this comment section, much less the whole of leftist lemmy.

Block me, I don’t care. There’s no point in arguing with someone virtue signaling as hard as you are anyway.

Hope you don’t mind being blocked back. I don’t have time to argue with an idealist basement dweller about some imaginary solutions that make him feel better

Seasoned_Greetings,

You still have to acknowledge that democrats aren’t going to be the party leading the genocide of LGBTQ+ people.

It’s one thing to say you don’t have faith in them protecting you. It’s another thing to clear the way for the party that actively wants to harm you by not throwing in with the only other party big enough to hold them back.

It’s not a pretty decision. But reality isn’t pretty.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Voting republican-light might mean being able to vote again at all

Seasoned_Greetings,

There is at least an entire sub dedicated to hating on pit bulls. I think multiple subs. During its time a few years ago, one specific sub could make it to the top of r/all with 10,000+ upvotes.

Reddit really doesn’t like pit bulls.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Dude, thanks for posting this.

Seasoned_Greetings,

Yes. Our country is run by geriatrics who, among other things related to modern society, legislate on technology they don’t understand. We need younger members with more flexible minds who have at least spent some part of their younger lives dealing with problems we have a modern variation of today.

But especially SCOTUS members. Any kind of term limit on them would be better than what we have.

Seasoned_Greetings, (edited )

Democrats do that. They appeal to centrists because those are the people who turn out to vote.

Leftists don’t get representation, the ratchet turns right. Funny how that works

Seasoned_Greetings,

Yeah, I’m on board with making voting easier for everyone. Voter turnout is ultimately the only way short of violent revolution to fix shit in this country.

Voting is difficult enough for people who don’t vote conservative, which is why when leftists refuse to vote out of principle because their perfect candidates aren’t a choice, they’re figuratively stepping on the rake.

Seasoned_Greetings, (edited )

I hope you’re right, but I’ll say that I’ve definitely seen more people in this election cycle say there’s no point in picking between two fascists than any other cycle I’ve been a part of. Especially here on lemmy

Seasoned_Greetings,

Great, so you’re going to overhaul the system and get us better candidates?

No?

Seasoned_Greetings, (edited )

In Louisiana, we have a super majority republican congress, bought republican judges, and a republican governor for the first time in 8 years. We are in a phase of revenge passing whatever right wing bills they can get away with because we no longer have a Democrat governor to turn away the ridiculous crap.

Our legislature absolutely will write in Christianity as the “correct” religion, and our governor is in the process of rewriting our constitution for a few reasons, one of which could very well be naming Christianity.

It’s going to take more than a challenge from tst to fix this one… We are deteriorating faster than Texas because Republicans are passing bills out of spite.

Seasoned_Greetings,

You’re right, totally the exact same as trump

Seasoned_Greetings,

I like the royal “we” like as a collective we all are capable of doing better. Look around. We are fighting just so we don’t get an actual fascist.

As long as half the nation wants someone like Trump, we have to do what it takes to make sure that doesn’t happen, because if it does we may not be able to pick someone better next time.

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