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Trump lawyer tells appeals court president can murder political rivals without being prosecuted — unless impeached and convicted by Senate (lawandcrime.com)

The stark question was posed to Trump’s attorney John Sauer by Judge Florence Pan: Was a president immune from prosecution for any unlawful act, at all? Could a president order his political rivals to be assassinated by Seal Team 6 as an official act? Could he sell pardons at his pleasure if he saw fit and then face no...

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How on EARTH did the judge miss his chance to ask the obvious follow-up.

“Does this apply to Biden also? Can he murder his political rivals under your legal theory? Can he murder your client?”

“Why not?”

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Whataboutism is shifting focus away from something person A did, by bringing some action by person B into it when it doesn’t belong.

Asking how a legal theory would apply in some other context, to highlight the absurdity of what the lawyer is saying because the answer would be absurd, is a very different thing.

I can see maybe saying it without the word “Biden” but focusing it on Trump would be better, yeah. E.g. asking if some other president would be allowed to murder his political rivals (specifically including Trump), without opening to door to complications. Obviously the answer is that Trump thinks he should have a special set of rules that don’t apply to anyone else, but the closer you can get to forcing his lawyer to explain out loud that that’s what they’re asking for seems like it’d be a good thing.

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I thought I was the only one 🙂. Yeah it’s the old stuff good stuff.

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*for pushing a police officer

The policeman is very clearly just standing there, doing his job providing security, and the guy walks bang into the cop and then tries to claim “you pushed into me.” I don’t think the cop was even in a position to hear any of his questions or “dissent” or whatever.

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It’s easily possible that the cop engineered the whole thing by standing in a strategic spot knowing full well that Mr. Safarihat was going to walk right into him. Cop was still standing still at the time of the bumpage.

Also, I’m from the US, so I was floored by how polite the arrest was. Cop #1 was downright passive-aggressive about it. Down here that move of saying “What are you talking about? How am I under arrest?” combined with physical resistance meets with at the bare minimum getting slammed against the car and your arms manhandled around behind your back. Usually you get thrown face-down on the pavement with a bunch of people on top of you too.

I’m not saying it should be that way, that’s just what I’ve observed. Up in Canada they literally let go of him for a while and had a whole conversation with him about it during which he got to keep his microphone in hand and wave it around at them.

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Yeah. You’re supposed to be aggressive as a journalist; you don’t have to be nice. But everyone was fine with him being in her face and asking questions; that’s his job. Then when he entered a physical contest with the cop to try to get where he was going, oh look! It became an issue.

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Yes. I’m not irritated at how they found it. What I’m saying is, after it was reported, I’m irritated that they decided to remove it.

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I’ll take your feedback under advisement.

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It’s definitely factual. That’s why I linked to some examples of rape. The occupying forces are committing rape. Want me to try to find more examples? Or do the same for occupation, killing, torture, and systematic dehumanization?

The fact that now that I’ve read up a little bit more, I think it’s genuinely pretty unfair to put that in there in the way that I did, and that context needs to be added, doesn’t change the fact that rape has occurred because of what Israel is doing in the Palestinian territories. It also doesn’t change the overall thesis of what my comment was in the slightest.

The wider point, that us being allowed to have this conversation is a good thing and that forbidding this conversation would be a bad thing, was more my point. I won’t claim to be perfect or right all the time, and I’ll be pretty honest about it if I learn something or realize I got something wrong. But if you want to talk about what Israeli forces are doing in Palestine I’m happy to do that and back up anything I’m saying or have said.

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“Sir, you stand accused of kidnapping, felony theft, rape, murder, and arson. I’m going to have to take you away.”

“That a lie! I never stole anything!”

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Fair point

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If you expect the mods to remove comments like mine, I think we’ve hit the crux of the disconnect between us. All good.

Have a good night as well.

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All crimes they’ve committed? Yes.

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I literally just now realized you’re probably right.

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I think it’s fair to say that rape is not an official government position. I think it’s also fair to say that some instances of rape of Palestinians by Israeli forces have been part of the outcome of the occupation of Gaza.

My being honest about the idea that, in the light of what I currently understand, I probably wouldn’t include rape in my comment and only the other crimes, doesn’t mean it’s suddenly not happening, or that Israel’s not responsible for turning loose in Gaza a force of people who in addition to other atrocities seem to sometimes rape people.

Get all condescending about “reality” if you like. It’s still happening. Tell me it’s not.

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