orcrist

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orcrist,

I’m not sure why you’re picking this situation for an anti-AI rant. Of course there are a lot of ways that large companies will try to use AI that will harm society. But this is a situation where we already have laws on the books to lock up the people who are specifically doing terrible things. Good.

If you want to try to stand up and tell us about how AI is going to damage society, pick an area where people are using it legally and show us the harms there. Find something that’s legal but immoral and unethical, and then you’ll get a lot of support.

orcrist,

No. It’s not “just rioting”. Try that again without the value judgment.

We see this type of hidden judgement on a regular basis. The key words are “just” and “only”. It’s an annoyingly effective rhetorical device, because the statement looks like an objective description of things when it’s not.

orcrist,

Right. Which brings prices up. Which decreases sales.

orcrist,

There are not two sides here. Try ten, or twenty, or some large number.

orcrist,

Go pull the other one. Of course it will have an impact on violence. You can argue that the risk is not worth the rewards, but clearly raising prices will deter purchases, and in turn reduce gun violence incidents.

orcrist,

That’s not an issue. Reduction is the goal, not elimination.

orcrist,

Class warfare is a serious issue, but I’m not seeing the huge threat that emerges from wealthy people having guns when less wealthy people don’t, because the police are already going to support the wealthy people.

If you want to talk about class warfare, let’s talk about wage theft. Let’s talk about taxing the rich. Let’s talk about universal health care. Let’s talk about inheritance tax and systemic racism. In other words, let’s talk about the big ticket items, not a $200 gun.

orcrist,

No. But even if they were, it’s still unconscionable to kill hospital staff and patients. You can argue that some people should distance themselves from Hamas or bear the risk. I think that’s mostly victim blaming, but at least you could argue that, and perhaps some surprising discussion could occur… Except here we’re talking about people who are sick or injured. They really couldn’t go anywhere.

orcrist,

I love how Fortune always deflects from the actual issue: wages aren’t matching prices, which means the average American is getting screwed by company owners and wealthy investors, at work, at the bank, at university.

It’s not about interest rates or inflation, although those are both relevant. If inflation were evenly balanced, it wouldn’t hurt most people, right? That is definitional. And high interest rates block house purchases, but in theory they also benefit house owners who have fixed interest rates. So again, if people were able to afford houses in the yhr past few decades, this wouldn’t be such a big issue.

orcrist,

Oh you sweet old-timer, things have changed in the past half century. Except in Texas and Alaska and probably Montana or something, but nobody goes there anyway.

orcrist,

Maybe TSA didn’t miss the bullets, at least from what I read. They don’t care if you have bullets in checked luggage, and they don’t care about foreign laws on ammo. And customs only gets serious when you’re entering the country.

Many countries check your checked lugage at immigration, when you enter. Again it is not clear from the article, but I could easily imagine folks getting busted at immigration upon entering the Turks and Caicos. Also, some countries check bags on departure, to cut down on smuggling of turtles or artifacts or whatever.

orcrist,

Can I go somewhere where the irresponsible gun freaks don’t feel appreciated? Sign me up!

(I respect responsible gun owners, within reason. If you can’t even keep your bullets under control before flying abroad, shame on you.)

I'm so sick of every single medical-related question people have online constantly getting spammed with 'talk to your doctor!!!!'

The way people online constantly say ‘talk to your doctor’ like it’s a panacea is a lot like how medieval peasants weren’t able to read scripture and they just had to trust their clergy’s interpretations...

orcrist,

Actually a great many people honestly believe they know better than doctors, that their snake oil will fix them. Look at the entire antivax movement. Look at the pandemic deniers.

So, uh, we can’t take it for granted that people actually know that they should talk to a trained professional. Because many don’t.

And that’s important. If we find out that we’re talking to a certain kind of fundie or antivaxxer or COVID denier, depending on the context of course, often there’s no point wasting time. Get the good advice on paper in hopes that other readers see it, and move along with life.

orcrist,

Yeah I largely agree with you. If I think that OP (of whatever topic) is not going to be receptive to reasonable advice, clearly I don’t want to waste my time, but I might spend just enough time to get good information out there so that other readers can see it.

orcrist,

Of course he had bombshells to drop. All of the things that he had done through the legal system were done in the hopes of achieving legal victory. When that process ended, the next step would be the court of public opinion. There’s an awfully big difference in impact on the general public versus reading what someone wrote and hearing them talk about it live on TV or the internet. When you can ask them questions and get detailed answers, that adds a greater level of weight to the entire issue.

It’s interesting that you would bring up half of the timeline and ignore the other half. You know, the part where problems happening to airplanes in the very recent past connects with actions that happened 7 years ago. When people want explanations for what’s going wrong now, of course they’re going to want to talk to people who were around when it started to go awry.

And I’m not saying you’re right or wrong about the accuracy of the police investigation. But I do think your analysis of the pressures on him and the current public climate is inaccurate.

orcrist,

I don’t want to spin anything, and I’ve been wrong about a lot, but it’s kind of sad that you went into attack dog mode and then completely overlooked the important details. Please do better.

You keep focusing on how John worked for them 7 years ago and totally ignore the present. People today are worried about Boeing now, and when they want to learn more about how things went wrong, they will look to people who used to work for Boeing. Retired whistleblowers are excellent candidates for talk show TV, YouTube, podcasts. That type of negative exposure could easily turn the general public, lawmakers, government oversight employees, against the company.

Gigantic companies don’t care about wrongful termination lawsuits. That’s chump change. But potentially losing lucrative government contracts, or potentially seeing your executives locked up because now public pressure is strong enough that regulators are forced to investigate, that type of stuff scares the big bosses.

I’m not saying that shady actions happened in this situation. I haven’t looked into it. The police did, and in theory they did a proper job, but we’ve seen the police botch investigations in the past, too. That brings up an interesting tangential issue, which is that when your investigators have a long history of incompetence, it’s harder to rule out conspiracy theories.

orcrist,

Yeah, except they do, they did. Why does California have strict gun control laws? Because in the 1960s, the Black Panthers were open carrying, and white folks (esp. police) didn’t like it.

If a crowd full of armed minorities had invaded Congress when Trump took power, of course hundreds or thousands would have been shot.

orcrist,

The simple issue is that this is genocide. Full stop.

And we should stop it. After that, let’s look into the complex issue you’re trying to raise. Conflating the two is how people justify doing nothing.

orcrist,

Allies like Qatar and Saudi Arabia? … But even if there were no US allies in the region, then what?

orcrist,

“There is not much the US could do.” … I can think of several things the US could easily do that would screw over the Israeli military quickly enough. You can too, so I’m confused why you wrote this.

orcrist,

State lawmakers knew this would happen when they passed the law. It’s so obviously predictable, and the fix was and is so simple.

orcrist,

My friend, you can define words however you like, but the numbers of dead bodies won’t change because of it.

orcrist,

It’s clear that Israel has bigger guns. Why would you even mention that? The question here is morality, not munitions.

By the way, how many of the dead actually wished for all Jews to die? Of course most of them didn’t. Of course most of them just wanted to live their lives in peace. Sigh.

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