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As brief overview:

  • I generally only hear people in common conversation complaining that someone told them once that they heard someone say black people can't be racist. I don't think I've seen anyone in the wild claim it with a straight face - because many people use racism and bigotry interchangeably, and it's quite plain that anyone can be a bigot. However:

  • Racism by sociological definition is something that only the group in power can engage in (paraphrasing) so your problem, like most people who bring this up, is probably:

  1. You heard from someone that someone else said "black people can't be racist" one time, but have probably never actually been told "black people can't be racist." (Which is sort of multiple layers of irony, because if you define the word correctly, they can't, at least generally not in the US.)

and/or

  1. You are using racism and bigotry as synonyms. Anyone can be a bigot, racially prejudiced, etc. Black folks can absolutely be bigoted and racially prejudiced towards others, just like anyone else can.

Here's a snippet of a definition from an into to sociology:

Racism is a stronger type of prejudice and discrimination used to justify inequalities against individuals by maintaining that one racial category is somehow superior or inferior to others; it is a set of practices used by a racial dominant group to maximize advantages for itself by disadvantaging racial minority groups.

The text goes on to say this doesn't preclude racial minorities from being prejudiced, bigots, etc.

And finally, and really this was all that truly needed to be said: In my experience, most of what people complain about online as "racism against white people" turns out to be nothing of the sort, and I'm personally doubtful MLK would have had a sympathetic ear for the common examples I see, either.

Edit: Forgot the link.

Edit again: Still forgot the link

https://openstax.org/books/introduction-sociology-3e/pages/11-3-prejudice-discrimination-and-racism

Edit - so many edits to be sure I'm saying what I mean to.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Black people can be bigots, and can can be racially prejudiced. Only the dominant group can be racist.

So you can use that to get upset as if I or anyone else were saying black people can't be bigots, or you can recognize that you are choosing to use two words as if they are synonyms when they are not.

Edit: Full disclosure, I made a shitload of edits to the original comment, which may or may not have overlapped with your reply.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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You’re merely attempting to ignore the primary definition of racism and racist. Just because they added a new secondary definition to the word doesn’t negate the long standing and most widely used definition.

These are harmful concepts that only further entrench white supremacy as people living in fear won’t be open to higher minded insight.

And if I continue to insist you are wrong, and that you are choosing a different than accepted scholarly definition, I guess I'm pushing you to white supremacy. Not much of a push for some folks, damn.

Ah well, just going to refer you back to OP then I guess.

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It’s harmful to black people who begin to think they can physically attack, insult, and otherwise be racist towards white people but it’s not true because an academic told them they can’t be racist. It’s also harmful to white people if a black person stabs them and says “I want to kill all white people” and they decry increasing or ongoing racist attacks against white people by black people only to be met with “but black people can’t be racist.”

You think drawing this distinction about the word "racist" is going to create "black people who begin to think they can physically attack, insult, and otherwise be racist towards white people?" Because of this relatively minor difference in terminology? You have imagined quite a lot based on this delineation between the word "racist" and the word "bigot" I must say.

I'm gonna let someone else enjoy whatever remains of this discussion with you. I'm not surprised to find what lurks behind the mask, nor interested to continue pretending it's anything else.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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You are welcome to your opinion.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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And yet I all but guarantee that anyone who has ever said "black people can't be racist" did not actually mean "black people cannot be discriminatory, racially prejudiced bigots." (I'll allow for corner cases where people are idiots - because that happens with anything.)

Anyone at all can plainly see that nothing stops black people from being those things.

So the singular reason to get upset when someone says "black people can't be racist" is a failure to recognize (and based on this discussion I'm pretty sure it's a choice for many) the scholarly definition.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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You mean like this sort of thing? I'm appalled at how easy it is for me to believe they'd go for something like this. 😁

"Bring in your documentation unsigned and tell them you used invisible ink. They have to accept it."

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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FWIW, with Firefox on Linux with pihole on my network and ublock origin, some component (or the mix) of those things seems to have meant that so far I have yet to experience a single one of the things Google has been doing since the adblock wars began again. I just checked now to see if there was any delay, and there is not.

I haven't seen a single popup, nor a single warning, no slowdowns, and no ads. I installed freetube in preparation for getting screwed, and although I like it, ad-wise and speed-wise it's no different than hitting youtube directly.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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OK. I'm not claiming google isn't trying. I'm claiming it doesn't matter, and this is a solvable problem for end users. Most others in this thread are saying just FF and ublock does it, so I probably have overkill going on.

I only know this is happening with Youtube recently because of seeing other people talk about it.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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The coverage seemed very low key compared to usual. I don't know what to make of that.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Dude, please stop passive aggressively posing these disingenuous questions and just state your criticisms and points plainly. You look like you're here for (trolly) performance art, not discussion.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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You look like you’re here for performance art, not discussion.

So, similar to Biden and his presidency? Let’s paint Pride flags on all the concentration camps and call it good, huh?

Oh you were so close. I'm sure someone else will still be willing to talk to you though.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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I said my peace, as any of us here can do, and as you are doing now. Good day.

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be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Are you a KDE user? I switched from Gnome 3 when Plasma 5 was new, the very moment it seemed close enough to finished to expect reasonable stability. It was a huge departure from KDE4, and after trying literally every other DE to find happiness away from Gnome (that's all I'm going to say about that) over the course of several years, it was such a welcome relief.

Plasma 5 was not only a life preserver for folks bailing from Gnome, it also showed they'd learned from their own mistakes with KDE4, which many users felt was just as much a trainwreck as Gnome 3.

There's a lot going on under the hood with the change to QT6 as noted, and that alone merits a version number change, IMO. I haven't tracked a whole lot of specific features, but I know there are a lot of wayland refinements and HDR support coming, and I'm doubtful that the many pointieststick blogposts have been doing nothing but writing about bugfixes and menu changes, even if I haven't read every single one of them.

The general default look and feel maybe isn't being radically changed, but this is Linux, and more importantly KDE; we're all about theming and customization anyway, right?

Most importantly they aren't throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They did it (intentionally or not) with 4, and then (in my perception) they were forced to do it with Plasma 5 because of KDE4.

After living through the transition from Gnome 2 to 3, and KDE 3.5 to 4, then feeling the relief when Plasma 5 just absolutely crushed it, I'm very happy to see them upgrading the undercarriage and making things generally better instead of building it all from the ground up again.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Sure, everything has bugs and bugfixes are good. It's just not fair to characterize this entire release as bugfixes and menu adjustments, IMO.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Am I going to find you railing about DEI in other comments if I trawl your history? I haven't, but this is worded like the kind of complaint that comes from someone who normally thinks diversity is awful, except when it's old white guys being excluded.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Well, they are going to have to do everything perfectly. One screw up of any kind and for the next ten years every discussion of diversity or women in leadership positions is going to include a Republican saying, "Yeah, well just look at what they did to St. Paul."

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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My apologies for allowing my general cynicism regarding online discussions to color my perception of your tone. 🙂

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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My expectation is that's exactly what was implied. Do you know something I don't?

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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Ah yes, because if there's one thing racist bigots reliably do, it's not lie about being racist bigots.

What is that you guys always say about laws that touch on the 2nd amendment instead of trying to solve our gun violence problem? - "we already have enough gun control laws, just enforce them."

Well, we already have laws that touch on limits of the first amendment, just enforce them. What's this do that existing defamation/slander/libel laws don't do aside from coddle the snowflake bigots?

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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You know, the only reason I haven't blocked you since you showed up is that your awfulness is entertaining in a train-wreck sort of way.

be_excellent_to_each_other,
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LOL.

Right.

Thanks for the clarification, even if I find it to have dodged the question I asked, and to be predictably vapid.

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