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Pilot shortage, teacher shortage, nurse shortage, service industry workers shortage… We’re now seeing firsthand the jobs that really run our society. You know what we don’t have a shortage of? Overpaid CEOs.

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@Surp@lemmy.world avatar

Same goes in IT were overworked and underpaid. Just this year alone my department has lost several people and they passed the savings onto the remaining people while pocketing the salaries of those they got rid of. Fucking awful country America has become.


There’s an accountant shortage too, which nobody talks about except us in the industry. It SHOULD be talked about though, because it’s another huge ticking time bomb. Financial statements audits performed by third party external accountants are designed to keep businesses honest and report factual numbers to investors. If they report false information then you get situations like Enron.

The problem is that we are overworked and underpaid like everyone else, the work has gotten vastly more complicated, regulatory compliance requirements are more burdensome than helpful, and tons of other issues. The results are that accounting enrollment has plummeted in schools, experienced professionals are being driven away from the industry in huge numbers, and more and more work is being sent overseas to be done extremely poorly. Corporations pay for their own audits and firm partners don’t want to lose a good client so crappy work gets pushed through no matter what.

I’m convinced the next major financial crisis will be from a bunch of huge household name companies getting caught with their pants down after fudging too many numbers. Just a matter of time.


Not just a shortage of people but also of quality. Look at the kinds of people they employ to teach children for instance. Serious problem with unethical ideological shills in that sphere.


Hmm mium yummy dogwhistle in my tummy


What ideology specifically are you upset about teachers shilling?

drdiemz avatar

Political ideologies do not belong in the classroom, for one. I don't want my children being told how they should view the world. I would like them to draw their own conclusions based on their own experiences


Mhm. Political ideologies. Which ones? (I ask in a very “states’ rights to do what?” tone)

drdiemz avatar

Any of them, man. Why so aggressive?


Because I suspect that the “ideology” you’re actually worried about amounts to “gay people exist”

drdiemz avatar

I suspect you're a cunt


As a teacher I’ll say that political ideologies very much do belong in the classroom. How else can you expect a child to learn how to be a part of society and to care for people beyond their own self-interest?

Teaching “political ideology” isn’t telling a class of kids, “you should all be socialists,” it’s giving them a foundation upon which they can build their individual morality.

What is school if not a place to learn from the successes and failures of peoples past?

drdiemz avatar

I don't disagree, but I think some places have taken it too far


I am curious about these schools that have taken it to far? I would just like examples

@ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

what is too far? what places? i hear this point alot, but do you have examples? real schools that are really going “too far” in some specific sense? where are they? what are they teaching?

@ssfckdt@mastodon.cloud avatar

The difference between teaching about an ideology and presenting an ideology as true or correct or better

Like, we should teach ideology -- all of them. We should teach religion -- all of them. Not in the way parochial schools do (as the truth) but holistically, as things that exist.

@ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

to be honest i’m not sure i agree with that. but that doesn’t seem like the position drdiemz is defending. they seem to want less ideology in schools, or none at all, which is… both impossible and undesirable.

pedagogy is ideological. the way we teach children, the things we teach them, the things we don’t, all that requires a specific ideological framework. free access to knowledge, freedom to choose what to believe, teaching diverse perspectives, those are ideological imperatives not shared by all ideologies. i think we should impress upon our children the value of free access to knowledge, of liberation, of the social forces which have led to them having access to schooling and literacy when before only the wealthy did. and to be honest, from the behavior of a large quantity of the ideological right wing, they seem to think that’s an active threat.

the fact is that ideologies which prioritize the well being of other human beings, their liberties as individuals and as communities, are better, and their ability to learn about any ideology unrestricted is facilitated by the implementation of socially progressive values in their schooling environment. its why i’m always wary of people who seek to minimize politics in the classroom. everything is political. the way in which students are taught is political, the organization of classrooms is political, the certification of teachers is political, the funding for schools is political. every single part of every person’s life is shaped by politics, and if you aren’t engaging students with politics, you are withholding information from them that they should be given.

drdiemz avatar

Too far is telling my sisters they should be vegans, too far is promoting body dysmorphia as something that should be celebrated and not treated. I have 3 sisters, none of which escaped the public school system without psychological harm. Two of which battle and were in hospice for anorexia.

@ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

your public school promoted body dysmorphia?? that’s wild. did the school have a policy about telling kids they were fat or something? i really am having a hard time envisioning an ideological position that’s explicitly in favor of inducing eating disorders in schoolchildren. i’m also just kinda confused at to how veganism plays into this. how does a school tell somebody to be vegan? diet is a pretty personal choice, and tends to involve a lot of effortful change. was there like a program for encouraging vegan diets specifically?

what ideological position is this school using? because… i don’t really know what kind of ideology leads to anorexia. anorexia is a complex mental health issue caused by interactions between cultural notions of beauty and health and the psychology of individual humans. the closest ideological cause i can think of is like… sexism, or fatphobia, or patriarchal standards of beauty as imposed by the advertising industry.


Political ideology is pretty vague: anything can be political if people disagree about it. Fuck, many of the biggest political debates lately have boiled down to “is science real?”


I see one downvote. I bet it’s spez


I don’t think shortage means what they think it means. Just because you can’t find people at the price and working conditions you’re willing to offer doesn’t mean there’s a shortage. It might just mean that you’re cheap.


Well understaffed then.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

How many people who wanted to be pilots are marketing managers or something? How many people who could be nurses are working in health insurance? Eliminating bullshit jobs would create more workers for non-bullshit jobs


As a UX designer who decided not to be a doctor though I could have, I don't think this is how it works.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

There’s entire billing departments in hospitals that are full of people who could be nurses but have jobs dealing with insurance, so it does work like that a bit.


That doesn't mean if you get rid of insurance jobs, they would be nurses.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

That's what I mean. If they didn't have all these people pushing paper they could be helping patients.


Or they'd be pushing paper somewhere else.

@ondoyant@beehaw.org avatar

bullshit jobs are a compelling concept, but not one i really find convincing. we can say paper pushing isn’t a real job or whatever, but large organizations do require staff to manage the complexity of their infrastructure. if those papers don’t get pushed, nobody gets paid and nobody doing the non-bullshit jobs know where to go or what to do. not to say that advertising isn’t on its own of dubious social value, but profit-seeking corporations wouldn’t invest in paying those folks if they didn’t make them money or otherwise facilitate the making of money.

DessertStorms avatar

Wait, are you saying you think CEO getting paid millions (for doing very little if anything at all) is fine, but paying teachers and nurses and so on a living wage is "cheap"?


All CEOs earning millions will insist that being a CEO of just as much of a full-time job as any other position… while being CEOs for multiple companies they own.


I believe what they’re saying is that the issue isn’t a lack of people able to do the job, it’s a lack of people willing to do the job under the current system

DessertStorms, (edited )
DessertStorms avatar

I thought that at first, but the more I read it the more I got confused about who they were directing their comment at.
Could be I just misunderstood (E: though it looks like I'm not the only one, so maybe there is something a little off in the phrasing?).


Which raises a separate question, whose responsibility is comprehension?


Well there can be a genuine shortage of people able to do a job, but that’s likely companies fault for not investing in training people to do the job in the first place.


If there aren’t enough humans to do work it’s a shortage. In fact every year more people move into retirement than young people enter the workforce. Europe is aging fast, US not that fast. Even China faces the demografic change: Average age of warehouse workers in China is 45 years.


On my team there are three guys 2 years out from retirement. Last time we posted one of their positions we had one applicant that passed the background checks. So when all three of them go I’m not sure we will be able to replace all of them. It’s gonna be a bitch.


What do the background checks check for?


I work in high security IT and you can’t have had a Felony in the last five years and a huge list of specific offenses that you can’t have had for 15 years. Then there is something about large debt and who you owe it to as you could be compromised via financials. We didn’t have a huge applicant pool to begin with so when so many bombed the background I was pretty sad.

Edit: I want to note that I don’t get to see why someone failed nor any specifics. We go out of our way to avoid violating privacy as it is a big deal where I work.


China faces the largest demographic collapse of all. It’s a ticking time bomb not just for them, but also for the global economy.

skulblaka, (edited )
skulblaka avatar

There's plenty of people to do work. People don't want to do your work, if the job sucks and the pay matches. Shitty job? Pay a high wage. We don't have a shortage of sanitation workers because those guys are paid like kings. We DO have a shortage of Burger King employees because not one person in the world wants to deal with that bullshit for less than $10 an hour. People have shown time and time again that they're willing to work the most soul crushing bullshit jobs in existence if they're paid well enough to make it worth their time. But no one wants to pay a wage that an employee can survive on, so "nobody wants to work". No, just nobody wants to work for you.

In addition to that, the reason the population is declining is because the younger generation can't afford to have kids because nobody wants to pay a livable wage. I can barely support myself and my partner with both of us working and living with another couple as roommates, and we all have pretty good jobs that pay well over minimum wage. If any one of the four of us had a child we would all four enter poverty. This is extremely common, and we're better off (if only moderately) than most people in a similar situation.

The minimum wage was last raised 14 years ago where it was taken to $7.25 an hour, which already didn't keep up with the cost of living at the time but since then inflation has continued to grow unchecked and many employers still don't want to pay out any higher than they are forced to by law.


I bet this will come very soon. Still employers are resistant to recognize the changed landscape. Who isn’t willing to offer a decent pay, won’t get employees. All shitty jobs will fade away. Only needed jobs will stay. With better pay. And everything gets more expensive.

Food delivery? Go, get it yourself. Or pay double the price of today. Supermarket? Only self checkout and a single cashier for the entire wallmart. Hospital? Telemedicine. Craftman for repair? You’d better learn it at YT Diy.

Here in Germany, every then and now are some news about an industry that can’t find enough people. Typically solution: Better working conditions, more flexible work times, and yes, better pay. However it’s everywhere.

If one stands up in a theatre to have a better view. Others will follow. And soon the view is as it was before.


Hmm. Never been a “vacant” CEO position. Ever.


The place I work are currently looking for a CEO and have been for quite a while.


It’s almost like the pay and benefits are attractive enough to bring in qualified applicants.


Indeed. Seems as those as long as needs are met you never have to deal with vacancies. Strange.

UltraMagnus0001, (edited )

Service industry shortage- Auto Tech, Electrician, plumber, restaurants… meanwhile companies have record profits. During the egg crisis , the egg industry had record profits. Fuel industry had record profits and started cutting back on production to keep prices high. Trump told Saudi Arabia to keep prices high and America and Elsewhere followed (thanks Biden)

@altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

Also trucker shortage, tradesmen shortage, etc.

Yeah, no one wants to work these jobs for the shit pay they offer. Especially trucking, that ones really screwing over people.


I was a trucker for 1 year and went back to being an auto Technician. I get paid half as much being an auto Technician but I also get to see my family.


Union tradesmen and teamsters both make good money. It’s the non-union workers getting screwed.

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