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A cute guy likes me on a dating app. After chatting with them for weeks, we decide to go on a date. They are very flirtatious and forward over the app, but not when we meet in person. He admits he thought I was transmasc like him, we laugh about it because his mistake is funny and means I’m not passing but in a silly backwards way. I think his sudden awkwardness in person may be nervousness and flirt with him in ways less forward and aggressive than he’d been flirting with me earlier, and they become cold and distant for the rest of the date. By the time I get home they’ve blocked me on the app we met on. This case of being mistaken as a transmasc on a dating app will happen 3 more times, and in 2/3 times it results in a similar sudden lack of interest where once they were coming on to me. None of these people will be cis.

I am in a self defense class for queer people, learning hand to hand combat as a community. I have been here months. I notice I’m the only transfem in the classes but there are other trans people there so I don’t think much of it. Today I have some stubble as I did not have time to shave before the early morning class. When discussing unrealistic action movie and anime fight scenes I describe on of my. favorites, quoting the lines as I pantomime the goofy moves. They smile and laugh along until the word bitch leaves my lips in one quote, then the bisexual woman who only ever they/thems me glares at me like I’ve committed a grevious crime, and the rest of the class looks at me like a freak in awkward silence for a moment before moving on. I learn bitch is not a word a clocky bitch can “reclaim’. 1 am quiet in classes now, and when I go I focus primarily on the training, when I see other trans women try it out they often give me a sad look and do not return for a second class. I get a sinking feeling that if I ever use this training to save my life one day I’d be branded a violent man instead of a strong woman.

I am texting with a good friend of years who was one of the people who helped me realize I was trans like them and even the one who helped pick out my name loves talking about our shared interests and sharing their favorite smut with me. We bond over favorite stories, artists, characters, and kinks as well as our trans experience. Yet they constantly tell me they could never date someone who’s AMAB because of the trauma of being “female socialized” and their genital preferences for vulvas. Every compliment they have ever given me on my appearance or outfit is followed up by “but in a non-sexual way, I could never date you”. Today I finally have the courage tell them they don’t need to say that every time. They ignore this response. We keep. talking for awhile, but they start taking months to respond to my messages and respond with a short sentence at most. They no longer share details about their life and shut me out when I ask or share details about mine, even the most mundane and chaste details. I stop talking to them. A birthday gift I bought them months before this falling out happened looms at me in my closet. I cannot use it as it doesn’t fit me but can’t bring myself to throw it away, just in case we reconcile one day. I feel pathetic for craving friendship with someone who sees me as "abuser-bodied’, that so much of my early stages would’ve been impossible without their help. I feel a little more lost without them.

am at a queer/trans/enby kink dance party with some friends. I am scantily clad and wearing a skirt and high heeled boots. I do not pass well so this space is one of the few places I feel safe and free dressing like this. It is packed with queer and trans people just like me engaged in delightful debauchery and wearing very little. The music hurts my ears but I’m happy to be here, I feel overstimulated but alive and authentic. I am approached by a beautiful stranger from across the dance floor, she is graceful and stylish, like some modern Galadriel clad in leather, white lace, and industrial piercings with impeccable voice training. She compliments my outfit, I compliment hers. She tells me I need to shave my armpits if I want to look like a real woman. My two friends stand up for me and yell at her. They assure me she was just being an asshole, that women were supposed to be hairy, but I can’t help but notice how both of them have hairy armpits and yet the “advice” targeted me. The wide range of bodies that people here tonight find desirable on cis women don’t seem to apply to the women like me. I am the only one of us that doesn’t go home with a hookup at the end of the night. I realize now she likely spoke from experience. I am still hurt by her words, but realizing the kinds of experiences she must have had herself to feel her words were kind advice hurts far

worse.

Alocal queer photographer who’s work I follow is looking for women & non-binary models for a photoshoot. I have become comfortable with getting photos taken of me for the first time in my life since my egg cracked, and had a few small time modeling gigs under my belt. With something like this I could actually have the beginnings of a portfolio. I reach and am told that they are not looking for trans women models, nly women and AFABS’. Getting the same line I get from agencies from an independent queer photographer repackaged in “woke” terminology stings. I see many queer and nonbinary models I looked up to take part in the shoot. I have to wonder if they knew that the photographer’s definition of woman didn’t include trans women, or if like me in my martial arts class they noticed no transfems were there but didn’t think much of it because there were other trans people there.

Itis years ago and I am still an egg. I am with my partner of 4 years. I am exhausted after a long day. She asks me for sex in the voice that I know means saying no will hurt her. I learned from her long ago men have high and insatiable sex drives, therefore saying no meant I wanted to have sex, just not with her. So I say yes. The sex s painful and unsatisfying, and I simply do my best to thrust through the discomfort until she cums. I feel numb and hurt. She enjoys herself but seems sad I did not cum. I assure her I love her. When we hold eachother after my obligation has been met and I finally feel comfortable and safe. We begin talking. She talks about the trashy women she saw on the street today, describing their cringe outfits and ugly styles and bad hair. All the styles and clothes and hair I yearn to try myselfin my deepest and most repressed desires. I change the subject and ask her about work and family. She asks if Id still love her if she were a man and I say yes. She says she would still love me if I were a woman. Something in that statement feels like a lie. It is months later when we break up and I move out. Now that Iama woman I look back and know from our years together that if I were a woman then shed hate the kind of woman I’d become. That if I were a woman she’d still have the same expectations of me as a man, that her refusal of sex equated an impersonal not being in the mood but my refusal of sex equated a cruel refusal of love.

A lesbian group begins organizing a queer woman’s strip night event. A safe place for amateur performers to shine and women to perform and enjoy sexuality away from the male gaze. I see no transfems in the promotional material o leadership team, and I’ve learned not to think nothing of it just because there are other trans people there. I do not go.

I am talking with my therapist. They are trans too and an amazing therapist, often providing insights and advice only someone else with the lived experience of being trans can. I express distress and suicidal ideation at the fact I feel like I need to pass before I can dress the way I want. That until I get expensive hair removal procedures and FFS I can never feel safe and welcome presenting authentically. I lament how these things are expensive and may never be accessible to me. They tell me I need to deal with my "internalized transphobia’, as if these feelings aren’t a result of constant rejection and othering by external forces even within queer spaces. As if the scrap of womanhood others sometimes acknowledge in me does not rely on their perceptions of me.

There is a publication accepting works from trans people of all stripes to document trans experiences. It gets flamed for not having a single transfem as a contributor. The people behind it apologize profusely, they say didn’t notice no transfems had sent work in and would do a sequel publication that was transfem-centric. I wonder if anyone had noticed there were no transfems but didn’t think much of it because there were other trans people there. I think about the kinds of spaces I’ve seen like that, and the implications it has about how they treat transfems, and I am unsurprised no transfems submitted.

One of my closest friends for years is very supportive of me when I first begin crossdressing and experimenting with they/them pronouns. She gives me suggestions on cute clothes to wear and takes me shopping as well as asks for pictures. We had helped eachother discover we were both queer as young teens, come to terms with it, and navigate it in a hostile environment, so I have complete trust. We are close enough we are frequently asking eachother advice on serious life choices & relationships, sending nudes for critique + tips before sending them to our partners, and sharing our most secret and vulnerable moments. She often asks me for tips on getting her straight boyfriends into pegging and crossdressing that make me slightly uncomfortable but I don’t mind, she is a loyal friend I would endure a great many discomforts for. I host a lunch for us one day, and come out to her as a trans woman. I tell her my new name, say I no longer use he/him pronouns, and thank her for her support on my journey thus far. She launches into a monologue about how by changing my name I am throwing away all our memories together and spitting in the face of my family. Taken aback by her sudden heel turn after being so supportive of me being nonbinary and GNC, I excuse myself to go to the bathroom to get a break and give her some time to process. When I am in the bathroom trying not to cry, she is on the phone. I overhear her misgendering me as she is talking about me being bisexual in a frightened voice. She sounds truly afraid that I intend to be sexually violent towards her. When I leave the bathroom and sit back down I pretend not to have heard. She gets off the phone, saying she was just chatting with her boyfriend. We talk a bit longer, she explains how "the surgery” is dangerous and experimental and she hopes I won’t get it. I assure her I won’t and do my best to change the subject and hope she comes around after some time to process things, hurt and shocked that what I saw as a natural shift in the path I was already on marked me as frightening in her eyes after knowing eachother for over a decade. That a fellow bisexual suddenly saw my bisexuality as dangerous now that I was asserting myself as a trans woman. I say goodbye to her, and she says goodbye to me using my deadname, I do ot risk an argument to correct her. It is months after the meeting we have not seen eachother since and she has not responded to any messages I sent. After reflecting on her reaction further I decide that I don’t really want to spend time with someone who thinks these things about me for my own safety and mental health, regardless of our history. A friend of 14 years who supported my queerness and transness gone the instant I crossed an intangible woman-shaped line that marked me as a predator and invader in her eyes.

I log online and day after day see trans women getting banned and harassed. Seeing baseless callout posts calling them groomers and abusers getting taken seriously by other queer and trans people. Seeing proof that deep down so many people I consider kindred spirits see me and people like me as worthy of intense scrutiny and policing to keep "the queer community” safe and united. The blocklist grows but everything stays the same. I treasure the people in my life who don’t take part in this and would do anything for them, but it seems they get fewer each time.

'm not making this post to seek sympathy, I am used to this kind of shit and far worse has happened to myseif and others. I just make this to llustrate transmisogyny is not some "online-only” issue like people claim. Even if online issues weren’t "real” (as healed is fond of saying, “online is real”) this has tangible effects in the way trans women are treated offline as well. By communities, friends, partners, colleagues, systems, etc. That’s why we talk about it.

So much of the discussions people have paint transmisogyny as some online oppression olympics maliciously trying to divide the community, smear transmascs, and “reinvent bioessentialism’. That is not what it is about. Discussions about transmisogyny is about how we are treated for being what we are, and while related to transphobia and misogyny it is seperate because it often represents doors other trans people and women can walk through that transfems cannot. It has affected me in my most intimate moments when I was with other trans and queer people I felt safe around, and taught me that I need to carefully manage my persona and presentation at all times lest my authenticity be branded "male socialization’. I am even terrified to express attraction to people who express attraction towards me because I’m so used to being treated like a predator upon reciprocating or being used and abandoned by people I trusted. I am terrified to be too excited about shared interests with friends lest I be too loud or talkative about it and branded with aggressive male socialization. So I make myself quiet and small, and shrink from the community and people I care about, and become more and more isolated.

Anyways, stop platforming anons who spread lies about trans women, stop hopping on TERF harassment campaigns because the trans gal they’re smearing "gave you bad vibes’, and maybe consider carefully if in your own life where you draw the line for a transfem’s behavior is any different from where you’d draw the line for anyone who’s not one.

ThatFembyWho, (edited )

All that shit is so real and it hurts so FUCKING bad. I hate being othered. I hate being the lone exception to inclusivity, diversity and tolerance. I have never once harmed so much as a hair on a woman’s (or man’s) head. But I’m dangerous and not trustworthy?! Fuck that noise.

Also the sex part is basically my partner and I:

NSFWMy partner cums every time we fuck (PIV). It takes about 3 minutes and then game over. While I’m lying there thinking about how I’m still horny and unfulfilled, my partner is already off washing, getting dressed, and ready to leave (we don’t live together). Since I started HRT three years ago, it hurts to have sex like we used to. I have mentioned this numerous times, but it’s “the only way” my partner can get off, apparently. I have mentioned that I need more time, more attention, more patience. My partner loves and appreciates my long hair, my babysoft smooth skin, my perky tits, my ass, my slender frame, and my dick. But not enough to take the time to properly foreplay or focus on my needs. I’ve even done what other women do: fake orgasms so they feel better about their self :/ It continues to drive a wedge between us, because I need more, and I am not getting it from my partner. I crave affection, touch, and intimacy. I need to be held, maybe for hours. I feel like I should start charging people for orgasms, because I don’t get anything else out of the exchange.

OrnateLuna,

The sex part yeaaaah you might need to consider more drastic actions with the relationship, obviously your relationship is very nuanced and I don’t know anything about it. I do however know that your partner not taking care of your needs and listening to you will end in disaster.

Plus you deserve to be treated with respect

RavenFellBlade,
@RavenFellBlade@startrek.website avatar

This is beyond depressing. I would love to think that explicitly queer spaces would be as inclusive to transfems as anyone else, but it’s clear that that’s not the case.

gmtom,

And this is why I just to being a man, my dysphoria is mild so it’s less painful than the realities of transitioning.

kaboom36,

Well, that’s the first lemmy post that actually made me cry…

Rbnsft,

I am sorry that humans suck so much. Hope you find more ppl that accept you how you are. Personaly i Do Not care how a person identifys as long as they are decent and not an asshole. Much love to you

Finalsolo963,

I’m not the original OP, but yeah, people can be pretty awful.

AFaithfulNihilist,
@AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world avatar

I’m a straight man from the middle of nowhere, and reading this sounds to me like we have not made any progress in accepting the variety of ways that humans develop or accepting the need to make space in society for everyone to feel like there is no need to hide. It really does seem like we are, at least in some ways, going backwards.

When I was 12 years old I saw a documentary on the Discovery channel about klinefelter’s syndrome. The program was 45 minutes long but it briefly touched on various ways that the “third gender” had been expressed and incorporated into cultures around the world.

In this simple program from before the conversation about gender and sexual identity became a political cudgel to dehumanize a growing number of social groups, they didn’t discuss the politics at all. It was just the science.

It wasn’t controversial for '90’s era documentaries to simply acknowledge that the brain is just a part of the body like any other organ and can experience the same if not more variation that all of the other organs do.

Instead, the program seemed hopeful about this burgeoning new science of the mind and its ability to help us illuminate something we have known about for eons.

10 years later I read an MIT magazine article that reference brain scans of different people trying to identify gender identity versus sexual identity. They didn’t have a whole lot of conclusions but they found seven different clusters of data in the gender identity tests.

That seems to me a pretty strong indication that nature has at least a few varieties of human beyond man and woman, and although the science is encouraging…

It really shouldn’t require proof of anything to inspire people to want to be kind to each other. I don’t know that science can solve this, so maybe we have to find the faith and the hope to help it along.

sukhmel, (edited )

Thunder: cuts the preview in the feed

me, clicking to open a full image: how bad could it be

zea_64,

It’s taken me a year to somewhat consistently not see myself as that predatory/awkward/appropriating man image, and that’s with a social network that has not once projected that onto me. I can only imagine how much harder it is when they’re not supportive.

ProgrammingSocks,

Many folks just stay in the closet. I’m speaking from experience.

moosetwin, (edited )
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

all these ‘not reading this’ comments make me feel sad

I understand why people don’t want to read it (long post/wall of text) but I care about this intensely

qaz,

I didn’t plan to read it at first, but I did, and I’m glad I did. It’s a new perspective I didn’t know about or remotely understood before.

Sombyr,

Does it count if I stopped reading after the 3rd paragraph because it gave me bad anxiety due to bad memories? Because I want to know if I should try my best to give it a full read through anyway.

KyuubiNoKitsune,

It doesn’t get better from there

SuddenDownpour,

I’m fairly certain you especifically are not contributing to the problem, if it makes you relive bad memories, so don’t feel bad for not finishing it.

Finalsolo963,

A little more irritating that people feel the need to announce it, but, go figure, meme… Sublemmy?

Tar_alcaran,

It’s super fucking depressing. But it’s also real, and it matters, a lot.

I totally understand not wanting to read every single trauma dump on the internet, because life is kinda shit for everyone without adding other people’s shit on top of it. But things like this do matter a lot.

Scary_le_Poo,
@Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org avatar

People are justified and not wanting to read that though. It is easy to OCR images with text, and OP should have done that initially. They have done it since so it’s all good.

moosetwin,
@moosetwin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

your writing style reminds me a lot of the game depression quest, I like it

(I apologize for this comment not being all that relevant to the post, I can’t think of anything else I’d like to add to the discussion)

Finalsolo963,

I didn’t write the original post, but man, that was a throwback, hadn’t read/played depression quest in a looooonnngg time.

Wutchilli,

That even their close friends turn away from them is hard to understand.

sharkfucker420,
@sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml avatar

That was a rough read :(

Roflmasterbigpimp,
@Roflmasterbigpimp@lemmy.world avatar

Damn. This is just horrible. I’m a cis Man and to be honest I don’t have much contact with LGBTQ+. But this is just so unbelievable sad. I just see someone who wants to be loved and accepted for who they are. (sorry if I use the wrong pronouns or anything, English is my 2nd language, and I’m trying my best). And this is something I can relate to. I don’t know how I can help or anything, but I just want to say, I feel you.

Mr_Blott,

I got about two paragraphs in and realised this person has absolutely zero personality so has to make their entire fucking existence, and everyone else’s around them, about their gender and nothing else

What a horribly boring and self-centred individual

TL/DR - Too boring didn’t read

Jon_Servo,

Damn, you must be fresh off Reddit, with a shit attitude like that. This is someone documenting an experience, not writing the next great American novel. It would have cost nothing to keep that shit to yourself.

First post one week ago Yeah, that fucking tracks.

Mr_Blott,

It’s a symptom of a connected society; people realise fairly early on that they are utterly insignificant. They start thinking they have no place in the world so all their thinking becomes introspective. Everything and everyone they experience is about them. If you’re offended by my comment, I’m describing you

Also, where do you get the “first post one week ago” from? Think I’m coming up for my cake day soon, or whatever it’s called here…beans day?

Carnelian,

We call it a jeans day now

As an aside, I think the tremendous irony in your thinking is that you presume to understand and give voice to the lived experience of all people, thereby projecting your own introspection onto everybody else. In no more grand a sense could it be said that you have indeed made everything about you and what you believe. You haven’t even read her post because you believe you already perfectly understand her. You do not, and your sweeping generalizations about society do not lend credence your perspective.

But yes, to summarize, beans = out, jeans = in

Turious,

Reading so many stories like this through my life, and now all this on top of that, is relying on the lived experience of transfems to make absolutely sure I never bother with it. I would love nothing more but I’ve already got too much to worry about. I don’t need all this, too. I wouldn’t survive it.

Finalsolo963,

The way I see it, the rest of the world isn’t particularly amenable to my survival anyway, might as well live as I want to.

princessnorah,
@princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

My lived experience as a trans femme is that despite all of this stuff, I never started living until I started my transition. I’d rather live with that pain, than never have lived at all.

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