TheAlbatross,

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  • SitD,

    that’s going to cap your bandwidth to what your friends have time to watch… not criticizing, i do the same, but honestly fuck bribed reviewers.

    RickyRigatoni,
    @RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml avatar

    Or just not care about other peoples opinions on things and just watch what catches your eye. If it doesn’t seem interesting by the nth episode just drop it.

    RandoCalrandian,
    RandoCalrandian avatar

    That’s time wasted and you’re usually manipulated into it anyway with cliffhangers and flashy visuals instead of quality content.

    If something is going to face plant like game of thrones, I want to know in the beginning before I get invested. All forms of marketing are geared toward hiding those face plants to drive viewership, but it’s the only metric people really care about: is this movie essentially longform clickbait that isn’t going to pay off in the end, like so much of the other shit coming out recently

    LemmyNoKiseki,
    @LemmyNoKiseki@feddit.nl avatar

    On the other hand, pretty much anything I’ve ever disliked I’ve discovered through reviews or mentions online, while nearly everything I liked I’ve just stumbled upon myself.

    GrayBackgroundMusic,

    Critic reviews are useless because they are largely just ads bought and paid for.

    Also because they usually judge criteria differently. They watch a lot of movies and are looking for things the average person isn’t.

    paultimate14,

    Pretty standard stuff. A handful of bigots go ahead and review bomb stuff they hate.

    Usually that’s an indicator that the show is really great. Personally I thought the original Castlevania series was fantastic, so I’m looking Forward to watching this one.

    Powerhouse Animation is usually worth watching for the visuals alone.

    pimento64,

    While many people actually just say the quiet part out loud, it’s too “woke,” others code it with the “bad writing, bad characters” claim. The writing of course being the “woke” parts, mainly, the characters being those of color, usually.

    This paranoid lunatic really believes that criticism of a show’s writing and characters is some kind of dogwhistle. The first series of Castlevania was decent, but very silly; it was a 6/10 at the absolute highest. Or, if I was a character from Castlevania, I would say “the first FUCKING series of Castlevania was DAMN decent, but very FUCKING silly and SHIT; it was a DAMN 6 out of BITCH 10 at the absolute FUCKING highest”. It’s not a particularly amazing series and this one is worse, as continuations are wont to be.

    Considering this is a Forbes article, my assumption is that this is a bought-and-paid-for PR statement. Why would you post anything from this corporate rag in the first place, OP?

    BolexForSoup, (edited )
    BolexForSoup avatar

    asdfasfasdf

    MomoTimeToDie,

    And it doesn’t raise red flags that someone was pissy enough over bad reviews to go and publish an entire article to cry that everyone leaving bad reviews is just racist?

    pimento64,

    Your reaction was so angry and so strong. It raises red flags man lol

    Oh, give me a break. This is obviously a reach on your part, because if your personality was so blandly milquetoast that you actually think this, you wouldn’t be the kind of person who uses histrionics like you just did. I don’t know what your angle is but at least be internally consistent.

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  • pimento64,

    Gotcha attempt: failed
    Tears: wept
    Pearls: clutched

    A real triple threat. Performative outrage suits you well.

    Silverseren,

    So, in short, you didn't bother to look at the user reviews in question that are full of right wing morons complaining about wokeness?

    My assumption is that you are also a moron.

    pimento64,

    Dog shit reading comprehension. I hope English isn’t your first language.

    Solarius,

    I never finished the first show but I thought it was cool. At least a 7 for me. This Forbes review is specifically citing the reviews that complained about “modern day talking points” so I don’t doubt they’re at least partially correct. The show is probably mediocre to begin with but there’s also righties getting worked up over it. I guess I’ll have to watch it and see if it’s any good.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    What’s wrong with complaining that a show puts talking points (or however you’d like to refer to the concept) over quality?

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    Why is it idiotic to not like media that prioritizes pushing a message over being entertaining?

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    Just because you want to change the topic of discussion to a strawman it doesn’t mean it’s what we are discussing.

    Besides, you’re the only one kidding around here, making up bogus accusations to discredit criticism

    Primarily0617,

    you just threw out a strawman, got told to stay on topic, then accused the other person of strawmanning your argument because they stayed on topic rather than responding to your strawman

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Lmao I was the one staying on topic dumbass. Read the conversation if you’re too stupid to understand it

    Primarily0617,

    i guess we can add "reading comprehension" to your list of special talents

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Lmao says the dumbass who continues to strawman everything i say.

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    Not clicking on some weird Facebook link

    Primarily0617,

    oh no somebody's using words they don't understand

    give me the definition of a strawman argument, then explain how that was one

    MomoTimeToDie,

    A strawman argument is where they put up a false version of the argument I was making and argue against it instead. Such as pretending I was arguing media should have zero message whatsoever, instead of the actual argument I was making, which was that entertainment should be a higher priority than the message

    Primarily0617,

    ok i think i get it, so for example making the argument be about "shows shouldn't prioritise pushing a message over quality" when that's completely irrelevant to the topic at hand would be an example of a strawman argument, yes?

    also i'm still waiting on an answer for what message the show is pushing

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Jesus you’re fucking retarded

    Primarily0617,

    i think that might be a strawman

    Primarily0617,

    having black people in a tv show isn't "prioritizing pushing a message", you absolute loon

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Nobody said that you fucking dunce

    Primarily0617,

    what message is the show pushing

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Name some media that pushes zero messaging of any type. Bet you can’t.

    Primarily0617, (edited )
    • fallout 3
    • call of duty
    • witcher 3
    • wolfenstein: the new order (before the series got all political with the new colossus)

    i can keep going

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Do elaborate on the deep messaging of f-zero

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Opulence and excess lead to brutality.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    One hell of a reach there. Anything to actually show it’s an intentional message and not just reading between lines that don’t exist on your part?

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    Pulled from wikipedia:

    F-Zero begins in the year 2560 where the human race’s countless encounters with alien life forms throughout the universe greatly expanded Earth’s social framework resulting in trade, technology transfer, and cultural interchange are carried out on an interplanetary basis. An association of wealthy space merchants created the “F-Zero Grand Prix”, in an attempt to add some excitement to their opulent lifestyles. When the first race was held, people were angered at the brutality of the competition, due to the various obstacles and traps along the raceway. As time passed, however, they became accustomed to these dangers, and even began to demand more excitement and danger in the races. Winning the F-Zero championship soon became the highest claim to fame in the universe. This period of time is called the “old-school” F-Zero days where the rules seemed non-existent in F-Zero X.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Yeah, I meant the game, not a Wikipedia article.

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    If you could be bothered to not repeat the same retarded comment as everyone else, the fact he has to cite auxiliary materials for the story is a perfect fucking example of the message not being put before the entertainment. You can play the entirety of the game with none of the message actually coming up.

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    Glad to know you have nothing of value to contribute since all you’re doing is crying over language.

    Primarily0617,

    hey it hasn't stopped you at any point

    ThunderingJerboa,
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    Honestly it just sounds like you are the kind of idiot who would play bioshock and come out with the that it was just a fun game about smacking people who are in diving suits with a wrench and having super powers. Like its clear you are a troll since you are choosing to pick games that have no in game story then shouting "LALALLALALALALALAL" when people tell you that the fucking instruction manual the game comes with has these themes. Funny part is your argument would make sense if you were talking about other kinds of external material like the whole star extended universe or someone talking about the halo books when talking about the complexity of the universe but this is a thing that came with the game. I'm sorry you either didn't have a childhood where you didn't read the fucking manual that came with the game but I assume you were illiterate when it came out.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Why do you fucking retarded idiots keep making up even more retarded “arguments” for the same failed point.

    ThunderingJerboa,
    ThunderingJerboa avatar

    Seems your vocab hasn't improved either with time. Come on now, be more creative. You are the type of lad who would throw a shoe at a horse and say you made a horseshoe. Also for someone who wasn't even fussed to watch a whole season of a show (you barely finished an episode) you seem to have quite strong opinions about it and for some reason keep chilling around in a thread about it. I'm not here to say its great, its okay. Just your "arguments" are rather absurd and you choose such a stupid simple series because if you just named a series that does have themes in the plot-line in the game you play your argument of a "forced message" falls apart. Like sure is it a bit on the nose with the "rich are vampires" but are you just blind to the common themes around vampires since dude nobility and the rich have always been subtext associated with vampires. Seriously, Bram Stoker's Dracula. Oh what was Dracula's title? Oh yeah a fucking COUNT.

    Primarily0617,

    at this point just because it's fun watching you flail about

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Seems you’re actually watching yourself if flailing about is what you’re interested in since you’ve repeatedly failed to make anything resembling an actual point.

    Primarily0617, (edited )

    damn just hit me with the i'm rubber you're glue

    but if I haven't made any points, then why have you replied arguing against them?

    mysterious

    teft, (edited )
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    So you want me to point you to an exact moment in the game? This passage is referenced in the 1991 instruction manual of the game as noted in the reference link on wikipedia. Specifically pages 3-4 and 20-28.

    And here are the actual pages from the instruction manual:

    https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/423827f4-8274-4153-ac15-6def8881284c.png

    Want to try again with a different media? I could do this all day since all media has some sort of messaging. It’s human nature.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    You’re proving my point tenfold lmao. If you have to go to external media to find the message, you’re making a pretty major reach to say it was the priority of the media.

    Primarily0617,

    you mean the game drenched in cyberpunk art direction has the themes and messaging of the cyberpunk genre? shocking.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Jesus you imbeciles are reaching hard

    Primarily0617, (edited )

    the people who made the game have literally come straight out and told you what the game is about in its original manual, and you're still arguing?

    you're being given the answers here and still scoring a 0

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Jesus you’re fucking stupid. If you have to go to auxiliary material for the meaning, it’s a fucking retarded argument to say it overshadows the entertainment.

    Primarily0617,

    You don't have to go to "auxiliary" material. You're just not particularly media literate.

    Why would I sit here and try and explain media analysis to you when we have a literal statement from the creators about what the game is about, and you're still disagreeing about what the game is about?

    MomoTimeToDie,

    I get that you’re just a retarded troll but at least pretend you’ve read a single fucking one of my comments before responding to shit I never fucking said.

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    My “deal” is all you fuckers spamming the same disingenuous argument against the same disingenuous strawman of my position. Everyone is obsessed with proving that a message exists despite my point being about the prevalence of the message.

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  • MomoTimeToDie,

    How are they incorrect?

    Primarily0617,

    boooo

    if you're going to do this at least do it properly

    throwing out complete nonsense is just lazy

    teft,
    @teft@startrek.website avatar

    You have to be trolling. It’s from the game’s own instruction manual. How is that external media? Obviously it was a priority if they put it in the instruction manual as background info for the game.

    Looking at your profile confirms my thoughts. Maybe take the hint when everyone is downvoting you. You’re just a troll. Blocked.

    Solarius,

    Again I haven’t seen the show yet but usually when people say that it just means there was a black/queer character and it made them angy

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Lmao it seem you’re usually wrong

    gullible,

    Without spoilers, there’s melanin, gayness, and even character flaws. You were spot on.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    And also low quality writing and minimal satisfying entertainment.

    gullible,

    Low quality? No, not in the least. It was adequate setup for a 3-4 season show. The emotional arcs would have been fantastic if they had been given any amount of time to breathe or if there had been more visible development between certain characters, but that’s not what the complaints are about, are they? What, my good chud, are they complaining about in their reviews? Do feel free to pull your mask off, you’re among friends.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Sorry, I didn’t realize you were the grand arbiter of quality, selected by the universe to be the one true source of objective judgement on the topic.

    gullible,

    What an absolutely unhinged comment. And to reply to your reviews, there’s nothing of substance said in half of them. I read them, evidently you haven’t. Feel free to keep the mask on, I guess?

    MomoTimeToDie,

    You seriously expect every random person to write an essay describing their thoughts for the reviews?

    gullible,

    Attempting to sound older than 16 seems like a small ask. As does… having a review in your review. Speaking of which, you mind linking your review?

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Lol I bet you’re absolutely furious at nearly every review on the internet if a short blurb about one’s opinion isn’t a sufficient thing to write.

    gullible,

    So you don’t have one?

    MomoTimeToDie,

    No, I’m not leaving a review because I watched one episode, and decided the show didn’t interest me. Like hundreds of other shows I haven’t left reviews on. My thoughts based on what I’ve seen are that I don’t particularly like their choice of what to do with the story, the writing could be much improved, and the animation is alright, but not anything to set it apart.

    gullible,

    The first episode is without any of the characteristics you derided in your other comments. Why did you come to a comment section to argue in favor of negative reviews about a show you haven’t actually watched? That’s a bizarre hobby.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Weird, I distinctly remember the first episode having both writing and animation. Perhaps I’m mistaking it for something else?

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Anyway, try reading the link before you try and use it to back you up.

    It doesn’t work, everything feels forced and the characters are just stupid

    Looks like the writers are riding the series’ success to write their own fanfiction now.

    and I agree that there are cringe-like dialogues in places and probably too much time was given to characters who did not deserve it, while the main villain was given almost no time and no development

    I don’t understand how many more shows have to be given to incompetent writers until studios decide they had enough. This is not Castlevania, this is disrespect.

    This is a watchable series. But this is merely a shadow of the original Castlevania series. Writing is not that good and most of the villains are one dimensional and hard to connect with. Heroes are sometimes appear as more than one dimensional characters and sometimes not. Hard to connect with the heroes for the most of the time. Story is not adult oriented other than blood, gore and sex scenes. Generally average or below average series that is unable to follow the standards of the original.

    Strayed too far from the source material it might have well just called it something else. It’s literally someone else fanfiction riding off the Castlevania name

    Nothing related to the games and full of bad writing. Makes 90s mario bros film feels like a accurate adaptation.

    The main characters just aren’t that interesting or fun to watch. The writing and pacing is all over the place.

    abysmalpoptart,

    I really don’t find rt to be useful. Take away the fact that critics are being paid to give positive reviews, it’s just a measure of like versus dislike, so 100% of critics liking it is really just saying every critic thought the show was at least decent, but it doesn’t give me any sort of scale. It’s like a giant pass fail, but there’s no indication of whether the show barely passed across the board, or was actually quite good.

    That being said, have not seen this series yet, but plan to

    sigmaklimgrindset,

    I finished Nocturne last night and it was…eh? Well it’s half a show isn’t it? It’s the same as the OG Netflix Castlevania S1, where they set all the pieces up for S2, so I’m willing to wait it out and see where it goes. The 53% does feel accurate to me as a score honestly, even though I’d personally put it at like ~60%.

    The highlight of the show for me was Richter and Maria’s interactions in episode 1, and I thought we would get more of that than we actually did. I don’t mind Annette, but like…I wish we got more RICHTER (and Maria, Tera, and Orlox by extension) and saved Annette’s story for later.

    It also just …weirdly felt too rushed and too slow simultaneously. 8 episodes was not enough for the story they wanted to tell, and I wish they just focused on the Belmont side for now.

    gullible,

    It’s the weird scene arrangement. Had opera gone to hell at the end of the season, it would have been paced infinitely better and, moreover, it would have been much more poignant. Contrasting the incoming with the outgoing would have been interesting. As you said, I’ll forgive it if they can meaningfully expand on their story in the next season.

    Disonantezko, (edited )

    It’s a lose adaptation of next Alucard/Belmont saga:

    • Rondo of Blood.
    • Symphony of the night.
    • Bloodlines (just some enemies like Countess Bathory and Drolza).
    • I did enjoy it, nice production, some poor writing some times, but not 100% nor 50‰, to me it’s like 75% at least.
    • It’s not like source (games) has awesome writing, just a motivation to kill enemy every game.
    • I really hope when finishing this adaptation, they follow with next and final Alucard arc in the future (our present).
    alphacyberranger,
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    The original one was great and honestly Nocturne ain’t that bad as well so far.

    DigitalPaperTrail,

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  • snooggums,
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    Critic and audience scores are more and less important depending on the movie.

    Do you want to find movies that are well done, break new ground, or include the tropes that critics love? Critic reviews are helpful.

    Do you want something that is well done in a genre that critics tend to look down on, like horror or comedy? Audience reviews are helpful.

    But any kind of score aggregation of either group is far less useful than reading a review that clarifies whether the movie includes things you like a lnd whether they are well done. A horror movie that has reviews that mention frequent jump scares will drive me away because I don't like them that much unless they are frequent and well done. Someone else might want to see it because that is what they enjoy!

    ThunderingJerboa,
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    Yeah I think many people sort of ignore many critics see a ton of movies so when you get ones that are all very trope and cliche, it may be a fun rump but a critic probably would have seen many of them prior. At the end of the day movie reviewing is a job and you are probably going to get sick of shit you see on repeat over and over with just a slap of paint on top of it. Typically the reason why comedies and horror films probably get slapped the hardest by critic reviews.

    snooggums,
    snooggums avatar

    Some critics also focus more on whether the movie is trying something new rather than doing what it is trying to do well.

    It isn't like they mark a drama down for doing stereotypical drama stuff over and over and over again like they do with comedies or horror. Comedies and horror tend to suffer from people not all finding the same stuff funny or horrifying, while anyone can say drama is drama even if it is melodramatic with manufactured drama.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    Lmao what? User reviews are useless because people leave their opinion on the show?

    IzzyData,
    @IzzyData@lemmy.ml avatar

    The only useful reviews are the ones you trust from people who share similar thoughts about what you enjoy. You could aggregate the rating of everyone on the planet and it still won’t be a useful metric. Reviews from only people self-selecting that would have watched the show in the first place are also not useful.

    Reviews from critics who are bribed to give 100% are less than useful. It is worse than useless. It is actively harmful. “Bribed” in the sense that they are given early access to something and don’t want to lose access as their livelihoods might depend on it. Sometimes they might be bribed with actual money, who knows.

    MomoTimeToDie,

    I mean yeah, user reviews aren’t perfect, but this mess of a show doesn’t prove it any more than literally every other piece of media people leave reviews for.

    IzzyData,
    @IzzyData@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree with you.

    IzzyData,
    @IzzyData@lemmy.ml avatar

    Don’t they mean the uselessness of critic reviews?

    violetraven,
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    No. If you go to Rotten Tomatoes there’s definitely a lot of right wing virtue signaling buzzwords with one-star reviews.

    TheFriar,

    The “tomato meter” is literally manipulated into irrelevance. There are outfits that specifically pay critics during a certain time period to either hold off with their review or change it to give a shitty feature a 100% during previews so they can market the hell out of it. The system was shoddy and broken before. At this point it’s just useless.

    1984,
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    Which review site or a rating do you prefer?

    TheFriar,

    Honestly, I don’t really read reviews. I can usually sense based on the marketing campaign and the feel of the trailer whether a movie will be up my alley. I also work in film and have a huge group of super pretentious movie buffs around me at all times. I’m definitely an outlier in that group because I’m a pretty easy critic lol. And I know which friends of mine are too pretentious for their own good or ones who are more geared toward blockbusters than I am. And from there I work backwards to see what interests me. Or I just tag along and find out the hard way.

    I will say, though, I like letterboxd. You do have to start scrolling and see which people you’re going to discount and which ones that point out things that are important to you.

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