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CADmonkey, in Excluding Factorio, what’s your favorite automation game and why?

I’m a big fan of Satisfactory, but there are others I’ve been trying too.

Techtonica is an interesting premise, sort of “Satisfactory In A Cave”, and research produces a bulky waste product that you have to store somewhere, but digging out a large enough cave to get any kind of decent factory built takes forever. It’s still early access so stuff may change.

JanoRis, in Which automation or factory builder games do you play?

Don't think i ever finished any, i usually get overwhelmed in the endgame i guess. What I have tried so far:

  • Satisfactory (favorite so far, gonna only finish it on full release)
  • Dyson Sphere (good one, great QoL Tools, might come back eventually and finish it)
  • BigPharma (Mediocre)
  • Mindustry (ok)
  • Per Aspera (oh i actually did finish this one, but it's not completely an automation game)
  • Astroneer (couldn't get into this one)
sexy_peach, in Good Factorio overhauls?

If you've been playing factorio vanilla for now I recommend Krastorio 2. Make sure to also install the recommended companion mods from that page. Krastorio is pretty much as easy to understand as vanilla but gives the whole game a different vibe, has some cooler end game gear and is more complex in some ways and easier in others. It's my favorite overhaul mod so far, but also the one that I've played most.

Space Exploration apparently takes like 200 hours to complete, which I find daunting. But I have started it and I think I like it, so far, but I haven't gotten to space yet ^^

If you're in for a different kind of challenge I can recommend warptorio as well, which has vanilla tech, but you end up on a different planet every 20 min - hour, and research unlocks a bigger platform etc. Make sure to always warp when the first biters come, you'll lose otherwise. Only in late game with flamethrowers it's not that dangerous. This mod is so cool and you will have so much spaghetti in the lower levels of your warp platform ^^

explore_broaden, in 1766-L32BWA | Allen Bradley | MicroLogix 1400 PLC

What???

porous_grey_matter,

Bot confused automation and automation game

Penguincoder, in Friday Facts #401 - New terrain, new planet | Factorio

OMG factorio will be the death of my sanity…

lvxferre, in Divine Automation: Factorio and phantasies of mechanization
@lvxferre@mander.xyz avatar

Automation games are a relatively recent development in gaming. Published in 2025 [typo, 2015], Infinifactory can be considered the first game of the genre.

The genre might be a bit older, depending on how you define it. If the sole factor to be considered is that you don’t “do” things by your own, you create contraptions to do them for you, then The Codex of Alchemical Engineering (2008, also from Zach) would be perhaps the first game in the genre.

However, The Codex is missing the “grow!” aspect that you see in typical games within the genre. It’s already in other games (like Progress Quest, from 2002), but never coupled with the contraptions part.

The sole response to indigenous claims presented in the game is essentially violence and they are the evil while the player is the hero. Automation games are Frantz Fanon 101: the colonizer demonizing the colonized. It’s impossible to tell if the game is a criticism of Industrial Colonialism or yet another emanation of Western society’s zeitgeist.

I think that there are plenty grounds to analyse Factorio’s discourse on ecological matters, but associating biters with “the colonised” is IMO silly. They’re depicted as non-sentient animals reacting to your pollution.

And I feel like the role of the player - as a hero or as protagonist villain - is ambiguous, without a single “right” answer.

chobeat,

depicted as non-sentient animals

Have you ever read accounts of debates on the topic of native americans actually having a soul or not? Because on that ground a lot of brutalities were committed, until the church actually decided that they actually had a soul. The criticism of intellectual faculties of the colonized and their reduction to animals is an integral part of several colonial processes.

lvxferre,
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Have you ever read accounts of debates on the topic of native americans actually having a soul or not?

I did read those. However I honestly do not think that Factorio associates biters (and spitters) with Amerindians, or any other group of people. Biters are clearly represented as insects, at most crustaceans; including colourful haemolymph, nests, and physical castes.

So for me the association sounds extremely assumptive; sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. At least for Factorio; I do not know how much this applies to the genre as a whole.

Instead, if there is any sort of discourse being conveyed by the player fighting biters there (be it glorifying it or criticising it), it’s ecological in nature, not social. Ockham’s Razor hints however that it’s simply “players need some challenge, people are disgusted by insects, let’s put big arse insects there, done”.

Fauxreigner,

It’s unquestionably ecological, and the way the game frames it sure makes it feel intentional, but it’s not really a deep level of discourse. Different buildings output different amounts of pollution, which diffuses throughout the world and triggers both biter attacks and evolution (limited to scaling HP/damage/size). Trees will absorb pollution (preventing it from dispersing further), but get sicker and die over time, turning the world into a barren wasteland surrounding an ever-expanding factory. Players have the ability to slot mods into buildings to cut their pollution output by up to 80%, but almost nobody ever does this, because the biters aren’t really a threat except on extreme difficulty levels, and those mods take up slots that could otherwise be used to boost speed/productivity.

This certainly could just be a way to throw some challenge in, but in that case, it’d be much easier to just have the biter attacks happen at semi-random times, maybe modified by how much energy the factory uses over a given period of time. In terms of ramping up the challenge, this would produce results very similar to the actual game, without tracking individual packets of pollution as they diffuse over every square in the game grid and are absorbed by trees, all of which track how much pollution they can absorb individually before they die.

That ecological damage is modeled at all, and that the pollution subsystem is as detailed as it is, certainly suggests to me that showing the player the negative impact of their presence is fully intentional (and it’s always a negative impact). I think there’s too much effort being spent (both in dev time and in per-tick updates) to suggest that it’s just a challenge system; almost nothing else in the game is tracked at the same level of granularity or downstream impact as pollution. Ore patches track how much ore each segment has remaining, but that value doesn’t matter beyond knowing how long a patch will be good for; miners don’t start pulling up less ore per second or harder to process chunks as a patch is depleted. Liquids and gasses in storage/pipelines track their own temperature, but the game doesn’t care about modeling how a tanker full of steam loses temperature over time.

All that said, I think casting Factorio’s gameplay as a criticism of indigenous peoples requires some pretty tortured logic. Biters are far dumber than most animals; their attacks amount to “run in a straight line at wherever that pollution came from”, which is one of the reasons they aren’t a major threat. They are unquestionably demonized; biters are 100% hostile the second they see you even if you’ve never produced any pollution, there’s no way to interact with them in any way but violence, and they’re big gross bugs. But I think this is better viewed through the lens of gameplay and of the ecological commentary. They’re big, ugly, and completely hostile to make it clear to the player that they’re your enemies. And they weaken the ecological commentary intentionally or not; there are no “neutral” animals, just biters, and the player doesn’t kill off anything cute.

lvxferre,
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That [your argument as a whole] is a good point to convince me that the ecological discourse is there - because the simpler hypothesis (no such thing) wouldn’t deal with all those biters bits of info. It also hints that it’s there as a criticism to the environmental impact of industry.

Alteon, in Friday Facts #398 - Fulgora | Factorio

More…I need more. I can’t wait for this expansion.

EpeeGnome,

I know, right? The QoL free features alone would get me to open my wallet, and then on top of it the new content looks so interesting. Waaaaant.

Still, in Friday Facts #393 - Putting things on top of other things | Factorio
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this is insane.

first trains and now this. is it perpetually April 1st?

rasensprenger, in Friday Facts #392 - Parametrised blueprints | Factorio

How do they keep coming up with this? I need that so bad

Gladaed,

They did not come up with it by themselves. This Was a repeat request rejected due to felt complexity/gameplay implications.

neidu, in Friday Facts #389 - Train control improvements | Factorio

FUCK YEAH, TEMPORARY REFUEL STOPS!

sexy_peach,

It will be so cool to have dedicated fuel stations that will only be used when needed

gaston1592, in Friday Facts #388 - Smaller things for 2.0 | Factorio

full RGB control on lamps sounds very interesting. I assume the color can be set by wires. 16M color displays!

flauschke, in Friday Facts #386 - Vulcanus | Factorio

I can’t wait to play this. It looks like an amazing expansion

sexy_peach,

saaame. But mostly I can’t wait for the 2.0 changes it will bring to vanilla factorio

notfromhere, in Krastorio 025 - towards purple science

Apparently diode.zone is using hls.js for playback and it’s not supported on iPhone?

sexy_peach,

oh I didn’t know that :(

notfromhere,

Yea it’s weird, I could have sworn Ive seen some videos on peertube before, not sure about diode.zone specifically

nottheengineer, in Thruster suit question [Factorio Space Exploration]

Yes, the thruster suit is better than the power armor when you first unlock it. But you’ll eventually get better power armor again so swapping starts to make sense later.

nottheengineer, in Excluding Factorio, what’s your favorite automation game and why?

Dyson sphere program. You just need a little bit of space to be able to retroactively add belts into existing stuff because of the 3d belt placement and logistic drones are cheap, so you can ship loads of stuff with them. It lends itself wonderfully to spaghetti factories, which is my favorite kind of factory.

It’s also absolutely beautiful. You can just stop and watch the glowy cubes flow at night or witness an incredible sunrise over the factory. And that gets better as you progress because, well, you’re building a dyson sphere.

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