someguy3,

Stalbaum, the head of the board of zoning appeals, said while most people in the county are either supportive or apathetic about Mammoth, a faction of people are so outraged they have taken to following and videoing him and other members of the board, or idling in cars outside their homes.

Anonymous phone calls, meanwhile, were made to a school where Stalbaum was previously a teacher to cryptically warn that he was not suited to be around children, he said. On Facebook, supporters of the project have been called “roaches” and “traitors” and, in one instance, seemingly compared to Adolf Hitler. “I can only imagine how intimidating he is around children!!” one poster wrote about Stalbaum.

Nimby NIMC (not in my county).

wellee, (edited )

I feel like that’s too many in one area? Don’t you have to be worried about the refraction from these? I remember a story of birds getting fried flying over a solar field in the desert, not sure if that would be the same case

Downvoted for wanting to learn, what a day! Thanks to those who commented ^^

tunetardis,

Maybe with a solar concentrating array, but these are photovoltaics are they not? So shouldn’t be a problem. I suspect this is just your typical nimby backlash to any large project. There’s plenty of that where I live too, alas.

jonne,

A solar farm has got to be the least disruptive power generation method (especially if combined with agrovoltaics). I really don’t see how you could be against it.

marine_mustang,

They aren’t in one area. Midway through the article, there’s a diagram showing the actual areas, many of them are non-contiguous. It isn’t a monolithic block.

DrFuggles,

regarding your edit: I think You’re being downvoted for repeating talking points addressed in the article itself. Also, it’s … ignorant. If large solar farms routinely fried birds, why do almost all countries routinely build solar farms? Why do particularly German households continue to deck out their roofs and railings with solar modules? How exactly even would a solar module fry a bird, seeing as how it’s surface is made from glass - you know, like a window.

The bird frying thing is a exception to concentrated solar power arrays , which was the name suggests concentrate solar rays in order to heat up a buffer medium to several thousand degrees.

wellee,

Seriously, calling me ignorant when I’m literally asking questions. When I’m genuinely curious if this would cause a similar issue.

So fucking sick of how toxic this platform is. No leeway to have an actual discussion or curiosity. Always people looking for a fight and acting superior.

DrFuggles,

I don’t know man, you say you want to learn but you act really offended when things are pointed out to you.

Please forgive my choice of words, English is not my first language. What word would you use to describe someone who raises a point commonly used as a scare tactic that was also addressed in the submitted article and is literally a two second Google search away from being explained?

wellee,

You literally called me ignorant, how wouldn’t someone be offended by that?

DrFuggles,

alright, I’m done here. You want to be offended, that’s your prerogative. Just know that there’s a difference between calling someone and something they say ignorant.

Donk,

the bird issues in the desert were probably unique to the ivanpah test generators that focus a large numbers of mirrors at a single point to heat a molten salt powered generator. The idea behind them is the molten salt retains the heat and can be used to continue power generation throughout the night as well as the day.

Uranium3006,
Uranium3006 avatar

The fact that feature isn't seen as valuable makes solar power look deeply unserious.

reddig33,

A lot of crop land is perfect for this sort of thing. They’re finding that low ground crops do really well near solar panels. Leaving money on the table by not double purposing the land.

wired.com/…/growing-crops-under-solar-panels-now-…

Also not sure why anyone would be resistant to turn empty unused pasture into solar farms. Other than astroturfing by fossil fuel companies.

cooljacob204,

Can this really scale up though? Large farms have equally large tractors.

reddig33,

Depends on the crop. See the linked wired article for more info. Also robots are now being used to pick both crops and weeds. They don’t take up as much room as tractors.

cogman,

The main reason to not farm between solar panels is irrigation and harvesting. Modem farms tend to rely on big equipment to accomplish those sorts of tasks.

Now, with giant arrays of power production, you could theoretically make a rail system with an electric motor/s running the farm equipment up and down the rails. That would be custom equipment (Though it could be standardized). The irrigation would still be a challenge. Pivot irrigation works so well because it’s a single tube carrying all the water. That makes for much lower maintenance. I’m not sure how you could get similar maintenance with panels. The naive approach would be tubing carrying water under all the panels. That, however, would frequently clog requiring someone to constantly go around fixing nozzles and plugged pipes.

clover,

Seems like a great space to rewild to allow pollinators to repopulate.

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