Eq0,

We know migrants are coming, why is it always an emergency every year?

The pacts with north African countries have been historically ethically disgusting and practically not very useful, why do we keep drafting them?

So infuriating!

Then Salvini wanting no EU, unless it benefits him… such a beacon of morality /s

akrot,

Because it it becoming organized and unhinged. 7000 in one day, on a tiny island. That is unsustainable.

Don_alForno,

Then transfer them to the mainland. Emergency resolved.

Int_not_found,

Let’s not pretend the itialian government doesn’t create these inhumane conditions deliberately, in hopes of spreading stories of a cruel & not quite so rich Europe to prevent further migration. They do this because they are desperate, because there burocracy can’t cope with so many people.

In an ideal world they would be distributed accross Europe. Moving 7000 people a day is no problem with good public infrastructure. But such treaties exists only in talks for decades. Not the number of people seeking refuge are responsible for the situation on Lampedusa, but the European governments who simply don’t care, even though such a treaty would be a direct consequence of a single border Europe.

akrot,

You’re making the assumption that Europe should and would want to receive more migrants? EU failed miserable at integration, and from my personal experience not a small portion of migrants did not want to integrate and contributed massively into the gang wars. Not to mention, if you really care about refugees, many studies have affirmed the best way is neighboring countries.

All the previous treaties existed in a time when unchecked migration into the EU was not a thing and economic migration was not peddled by smugglers and human traffikers.

fr0g,

if you really care about refugees, many studies have affirmed the best way is neighboring countries.

Source?

Also if previous intake of refugees hasn’t been friction-free because the EU failed at integration, maybe the conclusion should be for the EU to do better at integration instead?

akrot,

It is easy to shift the blame at the EU for integration. But even they did not expect this resistance based on the early migrant waves in the 80s and 90s. Nowadays, refugees get 2 years paid program (per houshold member) to attend language and culture class integration. The only isssue is that there is no harsh deadline and after those 2 years they will still get paid till they are ready to enter the work force. The catch? Many migrants don’t go through and attendance being non-mandatory it ends up being a financial drain on the cities. The main issue is majority of migrants are from a different culture and often uneducated. And a cherry on top, Islam is inherently supermacist, and this adds a lot to the attitude of the migrants. In Sweden, they are offering now 25k for people to return to their countries.

fr0g,

Okay, now onto the source I asked you for, please.

Eq0,

Between many other things: EU needs more immigration. But doing so the right way doesn’t feed the populist agenda, so we do it the most inhumane way we can manage, exploiting the immigrants without integrating them, expecting them to contribute for 5-10 years and then “go back to their country”.

akrot,

Absolutely agree. Being an immigrant myself (came to study), I watched the EU society get rekt by its unchecker open border policy. Then countries like sweden who did not like the status of the new crime and welfare KPis started hiding them from yearly stats. It’s ugly. Furthermore, educated migrants who want to come to Europe have such a huge barrier of entry. I faced this myself when applying. Never understood why it’s so easy to hop on a boat and you’re welcome with wide arms, but if you study and work hard all of your life, and you want to contribute positively, here some hoops you have to jump through to get in the EU.

But maybe the worse part is, the reputation of migrants have drastically changed, which affected everyone. When I first moved to Lund pre-syrian war, it was a great city. Even the treatment then felt so different. Fastforward 10 years, and Malmö has shifted the public perception in Sweden being the poster child of migration.

Int_not_found,

You’re making the assumption that Europe should and would want to receive more migrants?

Nope never said anything about migration policy. Don’t read things, I never wrote. I was talking about the fact that every Person arriving at the european border has a right to make there case, why they want to enter & stay at the EU. I never said anything, about how lenient this right should be given.

Italy isn’t able to fulfill this duty of hearing any case individually. It was clear for everybody that the borderstates like Italy or Greece can’t fulfill this duty alone and that a treaty to spread this load is required & subsequently promised but never realised.

And studies have shown that the best way to prevent mass migration of obvious reject cases in the first is to process the people fast, send them back & let them tell there story, if they have no right to stay. Letting people live in camps for months or years is seen as success at home.

tryptaminev,

Because paying terrorist organizations in civil war countries and calling them “Libyan coast guard”, for seizing people and selling them into slavery is so much more convenient, than having to adress how our lost colonial practises keep causing trouble that leads to people fleeing and risking their lifes like this. The alternative would be billionaires in Europe to make less billions. That would be unacceptable.

Eq0,

How could we ever accept inconvenience or less billion-rich billionaires!

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