Kattail_,

while i do feel bad for the innocents caught up in a genocide, i do kinda want to protect myself first? while biden isnt necessarily doing me that many favors as a trans person, i do genuinely fear for the future trump would have. I dont really want to have to be caught up in this, but until i have the ability to actually so much as try to leave for canada, there isnt much that i can do aside from trying to make sure nothing happens to me. I do wish third party was viable, but unfortunately our system just isnt made for that. and so while i would prefer not having a facist, all i feel im allowed to ask for is a facist that doesnt want specifically me dead

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If you’re delusional enough to believe that someone who’s just fine with murdering children and imprisoning refugee families is any kind of ally, then that seems like the type of deeply offensive thought you should keep to yourself. This is utterly gross.

Scratch a liberal, and a fascist bleeds.

Mask. Fucking. Off.

mindbleach,

Have you ever seen a trolley problem?

Saying “we should stop the trolley” won’t stop it. It’s rolling. Make your choices.

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If you think we’re the ones pulling the lever, you’re wrong. The wealthy and world leaders are at the switch, and we’re tied to the tracks.

null,

Trump is worse.

kittenzrulz123,

Quick reminder for the comments: whataboutism is not allowed here and bootlicking Genocide Joe will result in your comments being removed

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This silly post of all things has really struck a nerve with them

kittenzrulz123,

They know that they’re being called out and they’re doing their Liberal crocodile tears thing

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I’ve gotten more hate direct messages in my inbox from liberals over this more than any other post, and… I wish they’d direct all that rage to something that really matters like demanding housing for all or ending the genocide

JillyB,

Wait. You can DM on Lemmy?

Blackout,
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If you had to live thru 4 years of trump you'd probably do the same. He is very dangerous, the world would have a hard time if he was re-elected.

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I’ve lived through it, and I’ve lived through Biden. They’re both far-right extremists.

Edit: They’re both dangerous. Palestinians, immigrants, and poor Americans are having a very bad time under Biden, and as a LGBTQIA+ person he is not an ally for us either.

lud,

So do you prefer Trump?

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Answered in the sidebar and stickied post, which you should read before commenting

Master,

Cool, thanks for pointing out where the block community button is.

kittenzrulz123,

I’m sooooo sad that another spinless Liberal left /s

lud, (edited )

Why would I read every single sticky post on every community that pops up in my feed before commenting. That’s ridiculous.

I don’t follow USA politics closely because it’s a cluster fuck but is there anything whatsoever you can do besides voting for Biden if you hate trump?

A better candidate would probably be welcome but if I understand correctly there isn’t, so spreading lots of anti Biden content might make someone dislike Biden (since that’s the point of the content) and thus more likely to vote for the only other candidate, trump.

I’m obviously not from the USA so you do you, but it seems like a risky move 🤷

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I’ll give you 7 days to read the sidebar

And I don’t see how dunking on right-wingers who constantly derail conversations with the whataboutism in this meme would cause Biden to lose votes? Maybe Biden and his supporters should be urging him to make himself appealing instead. Has he tried … not being a genocidal fascist?

Ranger,

But think of the children that need to be bombed /s

_MusicJunkie,

Coming from across the big pond, Trump is simply worse though. Not like Biden is a great choice, but Trump is definitely worse.

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Ok cool we know

Now that we’ve established this, let’s focus on doing something about stopping the fascist who’s currently president

superb,
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  • superb,
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    You guys just remove comments you don’t like? I was being pretty genuine…

    Just to be clear I don’t want to see Biden or Trump elected and I don’t support the genocide in Gaza.

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    I understand, which is why I didn’t temp ban you, but it sounded like you were talking about the vote again, and we’ve already been over this

    lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/8546592

    superb,
    @superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    …this post is about the vote? You made a post very clearly antagonizing people who think you should vote for Biden. Why would you then ban and remove everyone who comes to defend themselves?

    If you don’t want to talk about the vote, let’s stop talking about the vote.

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
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    The post is criticizing liberals who derail conversations criticizing Biden by whatabouting about Trump. It is not telling you how to vote.

    There’s no valid defense for chronic whatabouting about Trump, and doing so runs against this community’s guidelines (rule 5)

    kittenzrulz123,

    We don’t allow whataboutism arguments and by saying “worse fascist” you are implying that there’s no problem with Diet Fascism™ to be the “Left-wing” option.

    superb,
    @superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Saying that A is worse than B is not an endorsement of B, and I said nothing about the “left-wing”. Biden isn’t the left candidate, he’s the democrat candidate.

    CodingCarpenter, (edited )

    Okay what’s your grand idea smart guy? What can we possibly do with a rigged two party system? Changes like that don’t just fucking happen overnight so yes in the meantime pick the lesser of two evils and stop fucking bitching that all people can do is parrot pick the lesser of two evils we don’t have any other fucking choice

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    Yeahhhh we’re not gonna do this here

    Dippy,

    Yeah because the time to work on candidates is past. You can still push for better secretaries and ask Biden to move leftward, but he is the candidate for this cycle and he’s doing what he’s doing.

    If you want to have a meaningful conversation, you need to look to 26 and 28

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    You’re willing to let innocent people die so you can try again in the next election? Bye, liberal.

    Soundhole, (edited )

    I mean, you’re willing to throw trans Americans, lgbtq+ Americans, minority Americans of every stripe, and anyone else the Right deems undesirable under the Fascism Train because of your specific cause you happen to deem more important than everyone else’s.

    How very entitled if you to be both-sidsing that shit.

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    It is clear you don’t consider Palestinians, immigrants, or poor Americans worthy of allyship. Fuck out of here with this strawman version of me you’ve created.

    Bidens not even an ally. You think someone who is willing to torture people and starve children is going to do fuckall to protect us LGBTQIA+ people?

    rothaine,

    And you’re saying Trump would be better for those groups? In what way?

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    RiikkaTheIcePrincess,
    @RiikkaTheIcePrincess@pawb.social avatar

    I’ve found the enemy! GET THEM!!! raises pitchfork, sets fires 🧑‍🌾🧨 🔥

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    do you have anything like a plan that will help the numerous endangered groups

    LinkOpensChest_wav,
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    If you have ideas, please feel free to share them in a post

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    i think we build local community, we take care of each other and survive, we learn about revolutionary spontaneity, and we bide our time until the moment is right

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    That’s my thought as well. Collect allies, try to dispel non-allies of their propaganda (very hard), create microcosms that gradually become bigger movements that eventually consume the state

    But in the meantime, it’s hard not to consider the situation dire and urgent on a grand scale when we see people being tortured, killed, and subjugated for the interests of a privileged few. It’s easy for me to sit behind my keyboard and tell others what they “should” do. It’s another thing entirely to be a person with friends and loved ones who’ve been directly harmed by our leaders, or to see it from their point of view.

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    it is hard. it is dire and urgent. but to the original post, non-voting doesn’t currently buy any power (though that may change), and trump is worse, so I’m still going to vote biden while supporting my communities and helping those who have been harmed locally

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    That’s fine. That’s one opinion about how to cope with the current situation, and I won’t tell you otherwise. I tend to agree.

    I just don’t want happening here what I see in the politics communities on some other instances where people are disparaged, shouted down, or even dehumanized for expressing so much as a hesitancy to vote for Biden. I want to take care that this doesn’t happen here. I firmly believe that if anything, such tactics only serve to discourage people from voting.

    We’ve had multiple posts in this community from people describing why they’re choosing to vote Biden that don’t undermine our grave concerns about him in the process. I’ve always welcomed people to make such posts.

    grrgyle,

    I’m not American, but you make some very good points. Thank you for taking the time to explain it to that other person

    match,
    @match@pawb.social avatar

    hey, how is your part of the world? I’m trying to maintain hope that the rest of the world is going to be okay [under the approximation that America will soon be doing very poorly]

    grrgyle,

    We’re doing alright. Like so many places, we’re struggling to keep terrified conservatives from throwing away the last hundred years of social and material progress.

    But we’re predominantly more left leaning than the US, so it’s not so so bad. I wish we were more to the left leaning, but I suppose I should be thankful for what we have.

    In my local circle, I’m seeing much more direct action and mutual aid, which gives me some hope for the future. We all know things are going to get worse, but there’s no reason we have to go the everyone-for-themselves route.

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    I know there are many groups suffering under Biden’s leadership, and no I’m not sure how to stop that

    I speak up, I send money, I support the protestors, and I’m very involved locally

    I’d suggest local involvemen. We’ve helped undocumented workers evade deportation, tried to establish community support networks, etc.

    But as far as dismantling the United States so we can solve the actual problem? Yeah, we need to work on that

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