drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

Plagiarism for me, but not for thee

“OpenAI suspends ByteDance’s account after it used GPT to train its own AI model”

https://www.theverge.com/2023/12/15/24003542/openai-suspends-bytedances-account-after-it-used-gpt-to-train-its-own-ai-model

patterfloof,

@drahardja and if the "AI" is trained, cutting off the books isn't really punishment

kkarhan,

@drahardja It's not plagiarism because a can't create copyrightable works!

https://felixreda.eu/2021/07/github-copilot-is-not-infringing-your-copyright/

drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@kkarhan That article seems deeply flawed in its description of what “training” AI actually means.

Anyway, the point of my post is that OpenAI is preventing ByteDance from profiting from its machine’s output without compensation, even as OpenAI is profiting from random humans’ output without compensation. Whether or not it’s legal isn’t the point of the irony.

kkarhan,

@drahardja Case in point:

There are very finite ways to do things correctly - regardless if programming languages or images or art...

Those things are scientifically and mathematically quantifyable and at a certain level can't be avoided.

Unless we explicitly specify it differently, we expect a human hand to have 5 fingers and music to use harmonics and loops in programming languages to be how they are or sentences in a language to follow it's grammar...

Those ain't "copyrightable" per-se.

kkarhan,

@drahardja Or to ask differently:

Would you also be fine with paying perpetual residuals to the authors of your schoolbooks because apparently you learned from their works and most likely passed school exams if not more with the help of those and I assume make a living off those?

Would every composer using be obligated to pay residuals to if they used the included score of "Clocks" to learn it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3wEC6Fj_8&t=922s

OFC NOT!!!

https://sfba.social/@drahardja/111594976588141953

drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@kkarhan I don’t think you understand what we call “training AI” today does, sorry.

drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@kkarhan That is a really flawed argument, and I’m not going to even start to engage in it. Suffice it to say that just because something is finite doesn’t mean it’s inevitable. The number of ways pixels can be arranged is finite, but every artist’s creation is inarguably unique, and copyrightable, by any court’s definition. Your assertion that sentence and grammar patterns aren’t copyrightable is just…objectively false. There are millions of copyrighted books made out of those patterns.

kkarhan,

@drahardja

Obviously you dodge the core question.

If I were to copy entire works verbatim that'll obviously be a violation as someone who can actually create and thus violate copyrights by virtue of authorship.

OFC If I were to just let a machine do that this doesn't mean I'd get off the hook.

Still: You don't seem to understand how learning in general works and how Copyright in it's own is only being weaponized against creators and consumers for the .
https://sfba.social/@drahardja/111595024961147531

kkarhan,

@drahardja Seriously, learning works the same for humans and "AI" by virtue of absorbing info...

Machines merely do so way more efficient in terms of time and with a way higher amount of data.

So my question is: Why would you treat those scenarios differently?

Or do you expect someone learning a language from copyrighted media to be banned from doing so or pay residuals to said copyright holders?

If not, why??

https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/111595011205360856

drahardja,
@drahardja@sfba.social avatar

@kkarhan Please stop or I’ll mute you. Your arguments have many erroneous assertions and misunderstandings. I’m not in the mood to debate you on this basis.

kkarhan,

@drahardja GTFO!

If you want someone to stroke your ego then I'm not the one doing so - espechally not without being paid for it!

Speaking of "flawed", #TheVerge also released this shitshow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UI9bSvH5Io

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