spittingimage,
@spittingimage@lemmy.world avatar

Uncovered? I thought it was public knowledge for years.

Naatan,

Movie / TV reviews are such a shit show. I rarely find myself agreeing with the averaged out rating.

These days I’ll just make sure the rating is above say 30 and beyond that I’ll rely on trailers and reading actual reviews. But finding new movies and tv shows to watch is quite a chore as a result.

I hope someday soon AI can be employed to give you real personalized recommendations that don’t suck. But realistically it’ll just be more shitty algorithms meant to serve the interests of the highest bidder.

someguy3,

This is why I liked rotten tomatoes, it separates the critics scores from the audience scores.

Naatan,

Yeah I definitely assign more value to the audience reviews. Critics are mostly useless, unless you identify ones that align with your personal taste.

someguy3,

It can tell you if it’s an artsy movie. The disparity between them is interesting.

Naatan,

I’ve also noticed the opposite effect. Where if a movie is leaning into being plain and easy to watch you’ll have critics rating it down cause they wanted it to do some artsy stuff. Definitely feels like critics are more on the artsy side of the scale, which is fine but doesn’t always align with what I’m looking for.

discodoubloon,
discodoubloon avatar

Honestly if they are close enough to what you like it can be manageable. A critic that knows enough about themselves to understand why people like things they don’t they can be very worthwhile.

Some critics notably just don’t like action movies. An action movie B for them is probably a solid A for most.

Also for as much hate as it gets, places like Pitchfork where critics actually speak their mind are important.

I’m thinking the world just needs more one-off prolific critics that really give you how they feel about things. It’s funny that IGN is talking here, as they are very well known for being paid off and using the 70-100 rating scale so they don’t piss anyone off.

HellAwaits,

The MCU having as many good scores as it does is the biggest giveaway that RT is influenced by money or connections. Like there’s no way in hell the MCU has THAT many good movies when most of them are boring AF.

money_loo,

Yeah everyone knows if something is popular it sucks.

maegul,
@maegul@lemmy.ml avatar

However entertaining and fun the MCU has been at times, I’d say they’ve clearly gotten away with a lot when it comes to movie making. Like there are plenty of films in that franchise/cinematic-universe that just wouldn’t have cut it and would have died on the scrap heap as stand alone films. But the MCU glow kept them alive and folded them into the giant stream of MCU content.

Beyond that, I’d bet that the post-endgame stuff has been done objectively badly … like you could break it down into a number of poor movie/franchise making choices (like you can’t simply build a story out of “a multiverse”, it isn’t a character or plot idea, you need more). Love and Thunder was an awful film. Can anyone tell which characters are part of the story and which are being written out any more? Etc etc.

It’s all still popular though. Beyond that, your argument is a strawman … the MCU can be a give away (because, IMO, it has clearly made a number of missteps) without the question of popularity v quality being an issue.

Hiccup,

Not really. Up until recently, most of the MCU was good to great. I’m not exactly sure where the shift happened, but a lot of the more recent ones have been trash. I’m talking about the secret invasions and black widows, where they’ve completely lost the script.

PopOfAfrica,

After End Game was that shift. It felt like they told all there was to tell, and the stakes were gone. It peaked.

FooBarrington,

It already started slightly before Endgame - both Ant-Man and the Wasp, as well as Captain Marvel, weren’t great. After Endgame though it definitely fell off completely.

Kinda like season 7 and 8 of Game of Thrones. During season 7 we still had some hope left…

Cethin,

The peak is at whatever point you realized you had seen the same movie before.

ArghZombies,

Which is why RT scores were usually good. Because a RT percentage is just the percentage of critics that thought the film was good or better.

Too many people treat RT scores as a single “this is a film that has a quality rating of 90%” whereas it’s “90% of critics think it’s not shit”.

Really, this is RTs fault for picking a metric so often used in a different way.

JackbyDev,

IGN making this article is wild. I’m not accusing them of accepting literal money but come on lmao.

tea,

It takes a thief to catch a thief

panchzila,

Aren’t they owned by the same company?

Sniatch,

I was thinking the same lol

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

IGN: “Fifty dollars?! Have some fucking dignity. Our good reviews cost at least $200k”

Lazylazycat,
@Lazylazycat@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah didn’t they give the latest Battlefield 9/10 on release? 😂

Four_lights77,

The user reviews are where it’s at on rotten tomatoes. The critic reviews have been kinda suspect for a while.

neonspool,

the critic reviews have always been complete dogshit. too many movies get 100% or 0% on rotten tomatoes.

if i’m not mistaken IMDB ratings are only user based, and in my opinion, i almost never disagree with IMDB ratings and i think it’s because it has a vastly larger voting group to get a more accurate viewer consensus even if a small number of critics give a 0/10 or 10/10

detun3d,

Oh, people still pay attention to review scores? 🤣

fing3r,

Of course they do, what a silly assumption.

detun3d,

As silly as applying review scores to art? Take a moment to really think about how dumb that is.

MrBusinessMan,

So what if they do? It’s anybody’s right to conduct a free transaction. If somebody wants to hire me to write a lovely review of their movie, why not? If I want to hire people to write some bad reviews about my competition, that’s a free transaction. Crazy communists want to exert big government control over the free review market.

Commiunism,

Nice bait Mr Business Man

Deftdrummer,

It’s called integrity and readers having faith in the source material. When it’s discovered you’re full of shit there’s zero benefit to anyone.

You’re letting your lemmygrad bullshit seep into this community.

MrBusinessMan,

Integrity means if you take money from somebody you do your best to write an excellent review. Also, be equal and fair, charge the same price to write a good review for Oppenheimer as you do to write a good review for Barbie. Take pride in your work and write good compelling reviews, people will pay you what you are worth.

I’ve never even been to Leningrad, I only know it from the Billy Joel tune.

abbotsbury,
@abbotsbury@lemmy.world avatar

This person is the opposite of a lemmygrad loony

betwixthewires,

Good god has the world not figured this out already? Or was it a conspiracy theory until now?

psycho_driver,

Anybody who hasn’t noticed the change in recent years hasn’t been paying attention.

AceFuzzLord,

I always just assumed that the badly rated ones might be legit but that the higher ones may have had a few bought off critics (because capitalism) here and there, but now I know I’m right.

Endorkend,
Endorkend avatar

Who would've thought that this was happening on a site with often massive disparities between Critic and Public reviews, almost always related to content with big marketing budgets.

Ghostalmedia,
@Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world avatar

The best part - Rotten Tomatoes can be manipulated by paying several people $50. Five Hamiltons.

I know reviewing movies doesn’t pay well, but I didn’t know it was that bad.

psycho_driver,

If you really want to get depressed research how much representatives and senators have been bought off with in the recent past.

jordanlund,

How many $50 reviewers did they have to buy though?

Looking at Ophelia… huh, it’s not on Rotten Tomatoes anymore…

Well, looking at ANOTHER crappy Daisy Ridley movie, Chaos Walking:

www.rottentomatoes.com/m/chaos_walking

21% rating on 154 reviews.

So 32 positive reviews and 122 negative reviews.

To hit 60% they would need to add 151 positive reviews. 183/305 total reviews.

At $50 a pop, those 151 positive reviews would run $7,550. Chump change.

Unlocalhost,

You either die a hero slowly becomes a villain

KLISHDFSDF,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

Anyone know of any good - maybe open source/federated - alternatives?

skhayfa,

Maybe we should start posting our own movie review here on Lemmy and let lemmings comment and vote.

Emperor,
@Emperor@feddit.uk avatar

The problem is that any review aggregator is wide open to manipulation, you just rely on the integrity of the reviewers, which has shown to be lacking.

I’d like a Fediverse version of IMDb but that’s another thing entirely.

pulaskiwasright,

Rotten tomatoes wasn’t paid. Their independent reviewers were. A federated version would be even more vulnerable to this kind of thing.

KLISHDFSDF,
@KLISHDFSDF@lemmy.ml avatar

For anyone that might care, I found this pretty neat IMDB front-end: libremdb.iket.me

swan_pr,
@swan_pr@lemmy.ca avatar

I use www.themoviedb.org quite often, it’s pretty good.

SRo,

Fosstard take

zcd,

Yeah no shit, RT end IMDb have been review shills for years, completely worthless

metallic_substance,

Yeah, I’ve seen it too. Anybody got good suggestions for alternatives?

dlpkl,

The issue is that every site uses the same critics to aggregate scores from. That being said I like using metacritic since you can view it by audience rating, and excluding the anti-woke, incel brigades on some media it usually aligns pretty well with what score I’d personally give a movie.

artsii,

Check out Letterboxd. But the star rating system is used a bit differently than you might be used to, like an average move will get a 3/5 stars, and that’s not a “bad” score. Just took me a bit getting used to

trachemys,

Forget aggregators. Find a couple critics you usually agree with. People have different tastes.

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