ncommander,
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So, this is an idea I've had for a bit, and maybe see how far I get. I watch a fair bit of OldSchol RuneScape content on YouTube, and for the next several days, I have nothing but time on my hands.

I'm curious on how hard as an entirely new player on F2P it would be to successfully earn enough to buy membership in game (about 7M gold). I've never really gotten into MMOs before, but I've got RuneLite setup, and well, guess I'm ready to dig in.

ncommander,
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Well I got a quest to find buried treasure. I guess this is as good of a place to start ...

ncommander,
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Found the bank, where I could store items, now I need to go find a spade for this quest. Progress, I guess ...

ncommander,
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So now I have this weird orb that I need to follow ...

ncommander,
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Well that's the first quest done I suppose. I'm still not sure what I should start working on next. I do have this beginner clue scroll though, but as the old joke goes, 99 woodcutting won't chop itself :)

ncommander,
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Well, I found the adventure paths, and if I'm going to get loot, this seems like a good place to start working on. The open ended nature of games like this always make it a bit harder to dive in.

ncommander,
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Well the first combat levels, earned by fighting goblins and chickens. Need to go plug in my laptop, but you know, watching YTers play this, and trying to fiddle figure it out myself is a world of difference.

ncommander,
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Attack Level 5. I did do a bit of exploring, and I'm still trying to figure out how things. Plus I need to find where the flour is for a quest ...

ncommander,
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Oops - first death >.>

ncommander,
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Well I grabbed a full(ish) inventory for chicken. I have a task to get a cooked pike, and there doesn't seem to be any for sale in the GE so cooking will be needed.

ncommander,
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Well, the cook got his cake, and I got some cooking levels!

ncommander,
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Well, I got a few cooking levels down, but I'm def. struggling to figure out how to do anything efficiently, and on free to play worlds, there isn't a whole lot I seem to be able to craft as an early money maker ...

ncommander,
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Well, decided to do a bit more before bed. @taxorubio made a decent point of just tackling quests, so might as well start there.

Here is what is in the tracker, so I think I'm going to head to Rimmington for that magic XP.

ncommander,
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Seems easy enough, although I might also do some leveling in Rimmington towards mining. Wish I had access to teleports though >.<;

ncommander,
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Well, here's everything I need to make a potion that lets me get in touch with my "darker side" ...

ncommander,
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Like the eww, forgot to cook the rats meat though

ncommander,
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Well another easy quest done.

ncommander,
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Well, another easy quest done. A farmer also dropped the Earth Talisman, which is a 1/64 drop, which is nice. Combat training seems rather slow though ...

ncommander,
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So, new problem. I don't have a great place to set a mouse up, and my wrist is killing me :/. I did try playing with just the trackpad but its really awkward. Think that's as far as I'm getting tonight ...

fuchsiii,
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@ncommander Mind control the mouse with psychokinesis 🤓

kkarhan,
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@fuchsiii as much as @ncommander is a legend in figuring out ancient software, I doubt he's "Daniel Jackson" level of good...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIEpAJMI7Dw

ncommander,
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@kkarhan To be fair, I'm not in contact with ascended beings as far as I know.

ncommander,
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Well, new day, and decided to grind out the combat levels for the diary, while also collecting raw beef to cook. I need 20 cooking for a clue scroll (although I should probably just drop it and get another one ...)

ncommander,
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Actually, I just figured out where I can small net fish, so let me grab a few levels here quickly. I also think I can sell these on the GE for some gold

ncommander,
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and another task down, although I'll do some more woodcutting ATM

ncommander,
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Ended up woodcutting and fireburning for an hour, to the point I can now fell oak logs. There's an achievement for doing this in lumbridge but it doesn't seem to want to pop ...

Thinking maybe grinding out a few ranged levels with the ammo I got from tutorial ammo and paths, and maybe runes ...

ncommander,
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So I'm on the third step of a beginner clue that is so far taken me back and forht around the regions I unlocked. Really hopping this is worth it ..

ncommander,
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Moment of truth ...

ncommander,
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"Better luck next time" ...

Oof ...

ncommander,
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Well time to try out the stronghold of security. I got an air staff as a reward for Lv 5. magic, and I have a decent number of arrows, so lets see how this goes

ncommander,
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So I read about making yellow dye to sell on the GE. I bought 50 onions, lets see if this works ...

ncommander,
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Well, I have 25 yellow dye in the GE, just need to wait now and see if it sells.

ncommander,
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Went and took a shower, and by time I came back, 5k gold waiting for me. Given a 1k initial investment, that worked out quite nicely.

Can afford a few energy pots, and maybe work on grinding out a few more combat levels. Not sure what I want to build the account towards ATM, but maybe base 20s combat. Plus I would like higher woodcutting for better canoes ...

ncommander,
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Well I grinded out a few more attack levels, but food is a problem. Trout seems to be the best early game option so lets see how hard it is to get a higher fishing level ...

ncommander,
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Cooking the fish has gone well :)

ncommander,
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Checked out the wiki for training tips, picked up a steel schimater, and then grinded for 10 in Attack/Strength/Defense.

Need five more levels in each to finish the early achievement tasks, but that's headway.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Knocked off another quest, but uh ... this quest is ...

(for reference, its based off the actual Romeo and Juliet, but Romeo is very spacey, and seems to forget that Juliet is only appearing to be dead and then forgets her for her cousin. I am not making this up ...)

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Doing some mostly AFK magic training. Using wind strike and Barbarians from the safespot lets me grab a bunch of experience while being able to do other things. At Lv 15 I get a fire staff for unlimited fire runes, but this is working fine thus far.

ncommander,
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Well magic training went fast, reached 20, and might go further since I'll unlock some teleports. I also ran to the bottom of the Stronghold of Security for the remaining 5k in gold. Not sure what I'll spend it on yet, but ranged is an idea ...

ncommander,
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Popped into the edgevile dungeon on the idea I could get prayer XP. Instead I got killed four times getting my gear. Finally managed to grab the ladder and teleport out but uh ... yeah, that didn't go well ...

ncommander,
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Ending the day with mostly AFKing on monks, but brought up the meelee skills up a lot

ncommander,
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Well the system is about to go down for update, but loose AFKing, my skills are looking better.

ncommander,
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Well, despite feeling like "blah", I logged back in and finished the Defense grind to 20. I think the next goal on this account is to hunt a skull scepter in the Stronghold of Security, which will give me a decent teleport spot, but I might need to do some tasks in first.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Found a safe spot, and got the first of four pieces to make the sepector

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Got a 3% chance on a single kill. Neat. Hopefully I can safespot the next two since I'm still fairly squishy ...

ncommander,
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The answer is yes, you can safe spot them, but I'm missing most of my hits, cause my levels are still too low. I think I might go to grinding range (which is the last combat task I have for beginners) on the minotaurs, they drop arrows and are easy to safe spot ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Three ranged levels down, and I get another clue scroll. I've got the teleport to Varrodock so lets see where this goes ...

ncommander,
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Two step clue. I could complete this step but the chef's hat is a 1/42 drop from a goblin. The red cape I can buy, although money is a bit tight. I've been playing for a bit over an hour, so I'll take a break then decide if I want to hunt the hat, and buy the cape.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Alright, let's hunt the hat

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Got it in 15 kills \o/. Just need a red cape, and I can do the clue step, but I think I need to grind some money first. Maybe doing more yellow dye ...

ncommander,
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So money has been really tight so I went and sunk it all into making dyes, which gives me 20k, which is the most this account has ever seen

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

took a break for dinner, and at least this clue scroll wasn't entirely bust ...

ncommander,
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Tried a few other money making methods. Maple shortbows can be bought from the GE and then sold at a shop for a slight profit with world hopping. I do want to buy a bond from ingame gold, but I'm sorta thinking pies might be the way. They seem to always be in demand, and if I go through the effort to make pie plate, flour, and water myself, this could be extremely profitable ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

So I made a few inventories of flour, but I realized doing this in the cooking gild would be way faster since there's a bank right there. Problem is I need 35 cooking, but by bait fishing and cooking on a fire, I should be able to get that fairly quickly

ncommander,
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Leveled up to do trout fishing at Barbarian village, so after getting feathers and a fly fishing rod, let the XP roll in.

ncommander,
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30 Cooking! Took about an hour and a half once I figured out the workflow. On to 35.

ncommander,
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Actually gained a firemaking level, which is mostly useless in F2P, but still, its a milestone.

ncommander,
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And there was 30 Fishing, which lets me nab salmon, which is one of the best free food sources I can get. That will be useful later.

ncommander,
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So I checked the wiki, and apparently its only 32 Cooking to get into the guild. Let's see if that's true.

ncommander,
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It indeed is, let's see what this gets this gets the account specifically ...

ncommander,
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Oh there are two cooking apple spawns. If I world hop, I should be able to collect these fairly quickly and bank them below. That would let me go all the way to uncooked apple pies which sell for quite a bit in the GE ...

ncommander,
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AHHHHHH!

I can't use the bank here! I don't think I can finish the Varrock Achievement Diary - Hard on a F2P account, but let me look at it ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Nope. Hunter is a locked skill, and some of these would take ages to complete.

Still, this is somewhat more easier than the mill in Lumbridge, since the bank in Lumbridge Castle is annoying to get to. Still, I need to think about this ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Ok, let's do some math here. On average, an uncooked apple pie sells for about 450 gold in the GE. The uncooked version sells for more since other players buy it for quick cooking XP.

I need approximately 8 million GP to buy a bond. That's approximately 18k pies, but the math gets a bit more complicated.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

For one, I need to make the pie dishes. I've yet to do any sort of crafting or mining on this account, but I essentially would need to mine clay, form it on a pottery wheel, and then bank it.

One for each pie. I could also buy parts of this from the GE, but for the sake of argument, let figure out what this grind would look like

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

So clay requires clay rocks from mining and a bucket of water. That said, the dishes themselves are pretty cheap on the GE since normally you get them back after eating the pie.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Oh huh, I didn't notice before, but pots of flour can be bought en-mass at the port sanin food shop. That saves me from having to mill it myself. Buckets of water can be easily be mass produced by a water spot outside the Falador bank. I'll have to load up the buckets by hand, but that's a one time thing ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Actually hold on, there might be a better way. Instead of having to shuttle pots around, I can simply make flour right in the cooking guild, decreasing the round trips. Just need one bucket and one pot (and a fair number of clicks).

The dough itself sells for ~200 GP. Pizzas are also an option, although I would have to get my cooking higher, and getting tomato/cheese is a problem ...

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

There's also nothing saying I can't make money in multiple ways. Flipping stuff on the GE is always an option (and one I did a bit to make some starting cash).

I'm mostly mulling what rules I specifically want to
set out for myself. Here's some other options:

  • Crafting/smithing stuff, such as jewelry
  • Grinding 55 magic for high alchemy
  • Turning either stuff from the GE or world spawns right into money. There's a steel platebody spawn in the wilderness ...
  • A bunch of other things ...
ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

So I think for goals for the account while F2P:

  • Complete all F2P quests, I'll probably save Dragon Slayer I until I'm close to the cash to buying a bond
  • Defeat each F2P boss at least once + quest bosses
  • Get my best in slot gear. This is rune armor set, but that would require 99 Smithing which is ... a bit excessive. This is probably half a million to a million the GE
  • Mass produce a few items for money. Pies, pizza, jewelry, etc.
  • Other things as they come to mind; ideas welcome.
ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Anyway, couldn't sleep, so I went and finished 20 ranged, which will is the last combat path I had left \o/. I also got another beginner clue, which is a nice bonus.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

30 minutes of clue hunting, steel platebody and battleaxe. These probably aren't worth the time investment but they are fun.

ncommander,
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So given I'm insonmic, I decided to log in for a bit. After a bit of practice, I found makign pastry dough isn't bad at all, and after a bit more of an hour, I've got 40k worth already. There's a pot pie spawn in the house, so I'm somewhat wondering if there might be able to make full workflow out of this depending on how quickly that respawns. Need to do some tests ...

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ncommander,
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Since there's a pie pan spawn right there, I can grab a pan and an apple and make it one pie per world easily, but it takes so much time that I don't think this method is worth it. I'm probably better either mass producing the pie pans myself or buying them. Still, 66k just sitting there is nothing to scoff at. Sadly, no skill XP for doing this.

ncommander,
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Essentially, if I convert the pies to uncooked apple pies, I get a 2x price bump. They're sitting at around 30 GP a pop

Cooking apples are pricer, at 50GP a pop.

Buying both of these is still a good profit margin, but want to see what I can do that works the best. I don't mind putting extra time in, but I want to be semi -efficent about this.

ncommander,
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Well, respawn timers are based off the population in the world. For worlds above 1k players, it actually respawns faster so maybe I need to do another hour of trying to make the full pies and see how long it takes ...

ncommander,
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So I did an hour of making pastery dough and a few pies, and well, that's fairly decent money to say the least. This is a pretty viable money maker, but I don't get any XP for doing it which is unfortunate. I think towards killing bosses, I'm going to want to go get some prayer levels. I'm thinking 30 Strength/Defense, and then camping Hill Giants is the play.

I also want to do some crafting and mining, so lets start with that, since there's a quest I can do.

ncommander,
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Oh man, if it was only as easy to walk into someones house in real life and ask for a quest.

(also, I forgot to swap out the chef's hat, so I guess I'm wearing it for now)

ncommander,
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Well one full inventory of wool Now to spin it.

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

and that's another quest done

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Might as well get Restless Ghost since I'm in Lumbridge for Prayer XP

ncommander,
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Yahtzee!. That also brought my prayer level to 15 \o/. I need 43 for what are known as overhead prayers (Protect from Melee/Magic/Ranged), which I'm going to need when I go to slay the dragon ...

Thinking its skilling time next ...

ncommander,
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Decided to try the mobile client for OSRS, this will be nice if my flight on Sunday has WiFi.

The big frogs behind lumbridge drop big bones which is my best source of prayer xp for the time being. Unfortunately no other loot but if I can get some gear upgrades, the edgevile dungeon might be more viable

ncommander,
@ncommander@restless.systems avatar

Well I got a clue scroll before I logged out to watch Good Omens 2, lets see where this leads!

ncommander,
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Also, all the pastry dough I made sold for a decent bit of GP, that brings the cash stack to 50k GP, which will opens doors ...

ncommander,
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I spent some time on giant frogs getting strength up to 30, now I think I going to get some crafting levels, and that means I need cowhide. Let me farm a few inventories, and then off to tan it

ncommander,
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Well tanning leather is annoying, you have to do it one at a time, but at least thread stacks, so, lets make some leather stuff

ncommander,
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20 minutes later, I have 151 leather gloves (which are mostly worthless), and 13 crafting levels, which means I can do pottery to make pie dishes.

One step closer to my money making plan!

ncommander,
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Now to harvest a bunch of clay

ncommander,
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Grabbed 120 clay. I could go for longer, but I want to just get an idea what this is like. I need to use buckets of water to make the clay soft, then I can shape it, and make pottery for more crafting levels which is the plan.

ncommander,
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Looks like the best place to take it is Barbarian Village which is about a two minute walk. The bank in Edgevile and West Varrock are close, but this will let me bank the pie dishes.

ncommander,
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Well 20 crafting levels down. It will get much slower from here, but if I can get it to 40ish, I could do gold jewelery, but for now, a break.

ncommander,
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Decided to throw a stream up on Discord: https://discord.gg/V8esNah

Not sure what I'm going to do, but probably play for an hour or so

ncommander,
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So after figuring out how to safespot hill giants, I've gotten a Giants Key, which will let me fight one of the F2P bosses, which is an awesome drop.

ncommander,
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Going to play Runescape for an hour or so before the day really gets going. Claiming path rewards. I kinda still want to get a higher mining and crafting level, so I can make gold jewelry.

I could also do some quests for XP but I'm kinda "meh" on doing that right now.

ncommander,
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So since I can't sleep, I decided to finish out the pie making grind, to at least get a 100k cash stack on my account. I can get cooking apples from spawns, but its a bit annoying so I'll sell the pies I have, then buy the remainer of the apples and flip them.

That said, I kinda regret having this as a normal account; I think I would enjoy ironman or ultimate ironman more, but that would be as a member, not F2P.

ncommander,
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Well I got the apples as an instant buy so I just made them all before selling them. This might take awhile to sell, but at least I'll have 100k when I next log in.

ncommander,
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Well the apple pies weren't selling at the recommended price. I dropped them a bit down, and there's a nice shiny 100k GP.

I'm feeling like shit today so I don't know what I'm going to do ...

sadmac356,
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@ncommander at least they're selling?

ncommander,
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I got a bunch of tin and copper, so might as well smelt that up and do some smithing.

ncommander,
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Quite a bit of mining later, 221 clay. Not sure how far this take me crafting wise, but it's probably a few thousand crafting XP. That said, the cash stack is kinda hurting, and I would love to get some upgrades for the account ...

ncommander,
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Spent some time collecting resources, and making pie dishes to just get a decent cash stack. Not sure what the plan for today is though ...

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