taco,

I hope everyone is following that #Tesla sympathy strike in Scandinavia because it’s getting even better by the day.

Norwegian unions have now joined Swedish and Danish ones.

The Danish pension fund has announced its going to dump it’s Tesla shares.

Finnish unions are talking about joining.

And now this:

qkslvrwolf,
@qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social avatar

@taco we need this shit in the US NOW

unfinishedsymphony,
qkslvrwolf,
@qkslvrwolf@mastodon.social avatar

@unfinishedsymphony @taco

Yes, that's a thing we should ABSOLUTELY repeal.

maddad,
@maddad@mastodon.world avatar

@taco

Yay Sweden....
Hey you suck exhaust...💩

ciredutempsEsme,
@ciredutempsEsme@mamot.fr avatar

no alt no boost.

Best I can do is pseudoquoteboost :
Tesla loses legal action in Sweden as dispute with Nordic unions escalates
Court decides postal service does not have to deliver licence plates, for now, in latest twist in row over collective bargaining

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/dec/07/tesla-loses-legal-action-sweden-nordic-unions-licence-plates-collective-bargaining

taco,

@ciredutempsEsme fixed. I thought like 12 people would see this because engagement on Mastodon is basically just chaos lol

ciredutempsEsme,
@ciredutempsEsme@mamot.fr avatar

@taco nice. Thanks

ekis,
@ekis@mastodon.social avatar

@taco The power of solidarity strikes is not to be trifled with.

sidereal,

@ekis @taco Yep, this is a great example of why they're explicitly illegal in the USA (outside of the railroad industry, they were grandfathered in).

WeavingWithAI,
@WeavingWithAI@sigmoid.social avatar

@taco yay!

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@taco That's not the case that matters. The case that matters is the one against the Motor Vehicle Authority, which Tesla already won an injunction against, so they can pick up their plates in person. The Motor Vehicle Authority is appealing.

Vs. the postal service, Tesla did not "lose legal action", they just failed to get an injunction, so the case will now proceed normally.

Note that there are options for even if they can't get plates (which, as mentioned, they can)

taco,

@nafnlaus which is fine.

People who ordered Teslas and have been on waiting lists should be able to drive them, but it’s awful press for them.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@taco IMHO, I'm pretty sure it'll end up:

The Motor Vehicle Authority will have to provide new plates in a viable manner, as that's their legal obligation.

PostNord will have to let Tesla claim the existing plates they have in a timely and reasonable manner, because you can't keep someone's property from them (theft).

HOWEVER:

The Postal Service won't have to DELIVER anything, however (now or ever), because it's worker's rights not to work in a strike.

taco,

@nafnlaus tbh I have zero idea how entrenched personal and collective rights are in Scandinavia.

I was recently very shocked to learn that New Zealanders basically don’t have any. Who’d have guessed?

badsynthesis,

@taco @nafnlaus Last time a large American company, Toys R Us, tried this they had to fold because they basically couldn't get anything done. No garbage pickup. No electricians. No shipping in or out etc etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/06/nyregion/in-brief-toys-r-us-settles-labor-dispute-that-made-headlines-in-sweden.html for one source, there seems to be loads on reddit too.

Now Tesla is quickly heading in the same parts and I'm here for it. If they don't like it they can leave, we'll be alright.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@badsynthesis @taco And?

Ignoring that Tesla isn't high-volume retail and is in an extremely different market space, you apparently don't understand:

Tesla neither cares, nor does it need you.

Not only are its needs tiny, the company has been, since day one, about vertical integration. Since day 1, if anything ever stands in their way or slows them down, they just in-house it. They already have electricians. They already have janitors. Whatever you don't do, they'll just do.

DavidM_yeg,

@taco @nafnlaus @badsynthesis

“Tesla neither cares, nor does it need you.”

Sounds like Nordic workers and society are saying,
“We don’t care about Tesla, nor do we need it.”

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@DavidM_yeg @taco @badsynthesis By "nordic workers", you mean "Non-Tesla workers", since almost nobody at Tesla Sweden is actually striking, because who would give a rats arse about what they want. :Þ

And I'm not sure you understand how the Boomerang Effect (the Streisand Effect being a famous subset) works. Teslas are 6% of new car sales in Sweden. People who dislike unions buy more than 6% of cars in Sweden. So, you know, do the math on that one.

DavidM_yeg,

@badsynthesis @taco @nafnlaus

Well, seeing that Tesla employs only about 120 people in Sweden (1/1000% of the population) and has almost no market share there… I’m guessing Sweden will come out of this just fine.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@DavidM_yeg @badsynthesis @taco You're looking at direct jobs (and FYI, it's over double that, you're only looking at mechanics). Supply chains are 1-2 orders of magnitude more than that.

And "who's going to come out of this just fine" is Tesla. All you're doing is harassing workers who want nothing to do with you.

DavidM_yeg,

@badsynthesis @taco @nafnlaus

I’m not doing anything other than laughing at all the frenetic ‘splaining about how not allowing Tesla to do whatever they want is somehow going to hurt Nordic nations.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@DavidM_yeg @badsynthesis @taco I'm not talking about whole "nations" suffering. I'm simply talking about how the only losers in these strikes are going to be the those who are "sympathy striking".

carl,

@nafnlaus That is, what a Tesla employee would say :-)
It is not true, though.
@DavidM_yeg @badsynthesis @taco

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@carl @DavidM_yeg @badsynthesis @taco I'm not a Tesla employee, but I do know several.

To a person they would like the unions to kindly fuck off out of their lives.

sidereal,

@nafnlaus @carl @DavidM_yeg @badsynthesis @taco So how do you explain all of the Tesla workers who have been fired for trying to unionize? They exist, I assure you. Far more than are currently employed in Sweden.

nafnlaus,
@nafnlaus@fosstodon.org avatar

@taco Oh yeah, the Nordics are the most union-friendly place on Earth. I think mine (Iceland) is #1, at ~80-90%

(Note that many of the other countries with nominally-high union membership rates... aren't really. For example, in China, everyone at big companies is part of a nominal "union", but really it's just a mouthpiece for the CCP).

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taco,

@nafnlaus Canada is sort of… fuzzy… when it comes to unions.

Your right to strike and bargain collectively is protected, sympathy strikes generally aren’t (at least so far, I think that’ll change next time it hits the Supreme Court).

Unfortunately we still have at-will employment for everyone else.

evelyntheriault,
@evelyntheriault@canada.masto.host avatar

@taco But also, in Canada worker protections vary a lot province by province. So in Quebec, for instance, there are lots of worker protections and unions whereas in B.C. where my son lives seems to have much less.

taco,

@evelyntheriault the laws will eventually converge. Charter rights are consistent across the country, it’ll just take time and a lot of court cases.

cakeisnotalie,

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  • taco,

    @cakeisnotalie @evelyntheriault recent history shows otherwise.

    Even s. 33 trigger-happy Quebec won’t use it to end labour disputes, because while Canadians don’t give one fuck about minorities they do care about their collective bargaining rights.

    Look what happened to Ford when he tried.

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  • taco,

    @cakeisnotalie @evelyntheriault idk what you’re even ranting about.

    I’m not talking about new rights, I’m talking about existing ones, found in the Charter, that aren’t being applied consistently.

    All it takes is one SC ruling, something that happens dozens of times a year.

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