PacoVelobs,
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Hot take on and

I see a great number of people picking packaged distributions like , , or simply moving to other editors like or because the configuration and/or the ecosystem became a burden to manage.

Maybe, they have too many plugins and missed the power of the close-to-vanilla editor?

I've a dozen hand-picked plugins and have been fine for years.
Agreed it's not shinny, but it works damn well and never breaks.

tshirtman,
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@PacoVelobs i think things become messy when you want coc/lsp features, i still manage my own config, with vim-lsp-settings, but finding the right combination of things and maintain it can be tedious, not all the plugins i use are life-changing but i'm not sure i want to agressively go smaller, they are usually quite helpful https://github.com/tshirtman/vim_config/blob/main/plugin/plug-list.vim

PacoVelobs,
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@tshirtman It's true that the LSP ecosystem changes more often than others.

I'm not sure everyone leaving or know what LSP stands for tho.

I'd love to find out what's the real triggering event TBH.

mo8it,
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@PacoVelobs @tshirtman I think that most people leaving Vim/Nvim know exactly what LSP is and how it is an essential feature that should be supported out of the box without hundreds of Lua lines and breaking plugin changes.

PacoVelobs,
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@mo8it
Went to a TupperVim event last week.
Many devs did not know or did not understand what LSP was.
Hence my previous remark.
@tshirtman

mo8it,
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@PacoVelobs @tshirtman I guess, for these devs, Vim/Nvim are fine then since they probably use it as a plain editor like Notepad++. LSP, autocompletion etc. are bloat? XD
Or they just use an Nvim distro as is.

PacoVelobs,
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@mo8it @tshirtman Mostly vanilla (n)vim.

tshirtman,
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@PacoVelobs @mo8it but they don't want/need completion/symbol lookups/docs or are they using methods for that that we used before lsp was a thing? (e.g ctags, omnicompletion, etc)

I can live without these, sure, but i'm definitetly happy LSP exists and give more powerful solutions than ctags and friends.

PacoVelobs,
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@tshirtman @mo8it They rather ignore the need. Like, they know it exists, but don't take time to set it up.

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