Billy

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Israel Attacking West Bank Farms (www.npr.org)

The U.N. humanitarian affairs office has recorded 650 attacks by Israeli settlers against Palestinians in the occupied West Bank since Oct. 7, harming residents and property. It says settlers have killed at least nine Palestinians in the territory and Israeli security forces have killed more than 400 Palestinians in that time.

Billy,

That’s false.
Hamas does have a presence, and it has grown over the years of people being dissatisfied with Fatah. And the support of Hamas there is even greater than in Gaza.

Billy,

Ziv said that many secular and left-wing Israelis did not vote because they were distracted by the ongoing war in Gaza

and al jazeera is missing another very relevant point, which this article points out.

the overall vote in many of these cities was not for right-wing parties – it was simply split between multiple candidates on the Center or Left.

Israel's wartime Cabinet is shaken by a dispute between Netanyahu and his top political rival (apnews.com)

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — A top Israeli Cabinet minister headed to Washington on Sunday for talks with U.S. officials, sparking a rebuke from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to an Israeli official, in a sign of widening cracks in Israel’s wartime government nearly five months into its war with Hamas.

Billy,

not quite.
last elections 70% of eligible voters voted.
likud has gotten around 24% of their votes.
this was about the same even in the election before that.

Billy,

missed out an important part:

…the overall vote in many of these cities was not for right-wing parties – it was simply split between multiple candidates on the Center or Left.

Billy,

which happened once by likud activists.
and yet more arab israelis voted than ever before in the election after that.

Billy,

so i’m guessing you’re referring just to israeli jews? not israeli druze, bedouin or arabs?
and which jews are you referring to that “choose to live there”? as a lot of israeli jews have been there for some generations by this point. it’s their home (let alone the families who remained since the kingdom of judah).

and that’s some nice propaganda for israel, but unfortunately israel’s poverty rate is among the highest in the developed world. while also being one of the highest cost of living countries.
bibi’s economic policies and transfer of funds to ultra-orthodox organizations and private education institutions has only made things worse for most over the years.

Billy,

70% of eligible voters voted.
the current government’s parties were voted in by 49.5% of those voters.
out of those, 14.13% were ultra-orthodox parties who always go with bibi because he gives them everything they want. about half of those are non-zionist.

Billy,

they helped, just not with weapons.
as russian forces are present in syria.

but now that israel is already at war with russian-iranian proxies / allies, there’s no need to hold back anymore.

Billy,

helmets, flak jackets, humanitarian aid, field hospitals manned by israeli medical personnel (which is mentioned in the article), generators for hospitals and refugee assistance centers.

and i didn’t remember that, but apparently there were already israeli anti-drone systems approved for export to ukraine last year. not sure if these are the same ones though.
https://www.axios.com/2023/03/15/israel-ukraine-anti-drone-system-approve-russia-war

Billy,
Billy,

their official slogan:

God is the Greatest
Death to America
Death to Israel
A Curse Upon the Jews
Victory to Islam

i have a hunch they’ll just be happy to see more dead jews

Billy,

so now you’re justifying anti-semitism?
just like neo-nazis giving excuses for their anti-semitism.
anti-semitism existed for centuries before israel

Billy, (edited )

Arabs have no problem with Jews. It was in Europe that Pogroms were a regular occurance.

Baghdad farhud 1941

Allahdad 1839 pogrom

Mawza Exile 1679-1680

Damascus Affair 1840

Granada Massacre 1066

1834 looting of Safed

Fez massacre 1033

Yemen
“In the late 1160s, the Yemenite ruler 'Abd-al-Nabī ibn Mahdi gave Jews a choice of conversion to Islam or martyrdom.”

(893) “Under the Zaydi rule, the Jews were considered to be impure and therefore forbidden to touch a Muslim or a Muslim’s food. They were obligated to humble themselves before a Muslim, to walk to the left side, and greet him first. They could not build houses higher than a Muslim’s or ride a camel or horse, and when riding on a mule or a donkey, they had to sit sideways. Upon entering the Muslim quarter a Jew had to take off his foot-gear and walk barefoot. If attacked with stones or fists by youth, a Jew was not allowed to fight them. In such situations, he had the option of fleeing or seeking intervention by a merciful Muslim passerby.”

Egypt
“In 1300 Sultan Al-Nasir Qalawan ordered all Jews under his rule to wear yellow headgear to isolate the Egyptian Jewish community. This law would be enforced for centuries and later amended in 1354 to force all Jews to wear a sign in addition to yellow headwear. On multiple occasions the ulema persuaded the government to close or convert synagogues. Even major places of pilgrimage for Egyptian Jews such as the Dammah Synagogue were forced to close in 1301. Jews subsequently were excluded from bath houses and were prohibited to work in the national treasury. This repression of the Jewish community would continue for centuries.”

and more
“In 1656, all Jews were expelled from Isfahan and forced to convert to Islam because of a common belief that their Jewishness was impure.”
“in 1661 they were allowed to revert to Judaism, although they were still required to wear a distinctive patch on their clothing.”

muslims made jews wear patches before the nazis did.

Billy,

“According to Iraqi government and British historical sources violence started when a delegation of Jewish Iraqis arrived at the Palace of Flowers (Qasr al Zuhur) to meet with the Regent Abdullah, and were attacked en route by an Iraqi Arab mob as they crossed Al Khurr Bridge. Iraqi Arab civil disorder and violence then swiftly spread to the Al Rusafa and Abu Sifyan districts, and got worse the next day when elements of the Iraqi police began joining in with the attacks upon the Jewish population, involving shops belonging to it being set on fire and a synagogue being destroyed. Many Jewish girls were gang-raped and children maimed and killed in front of their families.”

“Shalom Darwish, the secretary of the Jewish community in Baghdad, testified that several days before the Farhud, the homes of Jews were marked with a red palm print (“Hamsa”), by al-Futuwa youth. Al-Sabawi also instructed Jews in Baghdad to pack suitcases and to wait to be taken to “detention camps” “for their own safety”.”

“Two days before the Farhud, Yunis al-Sabawi, a government minister who proclaimed himself the governor of Baghdad, summoned Rabbi Sasson Khaduri, the community leader, and recommended to him that Jews stay in their homes for the next three days as a protective measure. He had planned for a larger massacre, preparing to broadcast a call for the Baghdad public to massacre Jews. However, the broadcast was never made since al-Sabawi was forced to flee the country.”

planned and done by muslim iraqis.
not to mention all of the other massacres and anti-semitism cases i’ve linked.
but it’s pretty clear by this point you’ll justify any case of anti-semitism by arabs / muslims.

Billy,

someone here didn’t read.
the ones who initiated the pogrom weren’t part of the british government. they were part of the coup government who took power from the british

nonetheless you’re ignoring everything else i linked, like the persecution of yemenite jews.

or the persecution and discrimination against isfahan jews in iran and how they were forced to wear badges under islamic rule. centuries before the nazis.

Billy, (edited )

rashid ali was an iraqi muslim, so was yunis al-sabawi, so were al-futuwa youth that marked jewish houses before the farhud and so were the iraqi mob and police that massacred and raped jews.
arabs aren’t infantile human beings with no agency or responsibility.

you wrote that these things only happened in europe. iraq isn’t europe.

either way i gave other examples without any kind of european presence. and there are plenty more.

Billy,

It’s because they’re dark skinned and poor, so we’re not caring about them?

most israelis have the same skin color as most palestinians…

Billy,

you do realize a large part of israeli jews came back from arab countries? yemenite jews, iraqi, iranian, etc.
their skin color isn’t white.

So let’s leave the skin colors of Israelis out of the conversation in relation to Palestinians. Please.

that was the point of my comment… the skin color is irrelevant

Billy,

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mizrahi_Jews_in_Israel (you can find the sources referenced there)

61% of israeli jews in 2005. 50.2% in 2009.
and that’s with all former-ussr jews counted as ashkenazi jews, despite some of them actually being mizrahi (bukharan jews and mountain jews).

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