Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.
Not really. Hydrogen cars are horrible for carbon. They just cannot compete with electric for efficiency. You’re bound by the laws of nature to have extra losses. The only argument hydrogen shills have is about “muh lithium” which isn’t really an issue longer term. It’s already recycled, whereas hydrogen is bound to have less efficiency forever, as compared to an electrical cable.
The oil industry has been rooting for hydrogen cars as their favourite alternative to combustion engines
I’m pretty sure the real reason is that they need to sell you something. Hydrogen handling means exclusivity and they can control energy prices this way. Having solar panels is a big problem apparently, we’re not “allowed” to escape their control. Not sure we plebs can do anything about them pushing hydrogen constantly.
It’s more expensive because you have to have an extra conversion of energy which is bound to be lossy. There’s no way it makes sense apart from them having something THEY control and sell you, that’s it. The only realistic uses for it is for heavy machinery in remote places.
You just cannot avoid having losses with an extra conversion step. Any source of energy you can fathom can supply electrical current to the car. Directly via cables. If you convert said energy to hydrogen, then back to electric, you are bound to have extra losses, thus the car polutes more, as it uses more fuel for the same distance. There’s literally no way around this, in this plane of existence, and there’s literally nothing you can do about it.
More carbon from hydrogen when you add up all that crazy infrastructure and safety related to hydrogen manufacture and transport which will be made via special trucks and stuff as compared to an electrical cable. You cannot and will not ever compete with a copper cable. You have to resort to plain lying for the hydrogen shill to make any god damned sense.
They are not equal and will never ever be equal. I have no idea what Tesla is saying about it, I’m an EE and did the math (not that complicated), and Hydrogen will forever be less efficient and will pollute more, and there’s no way around it. You are trying to minimize the impact the Hydrogen infrastructure will have on everything, and are seriously misrepresenting what it implies. This is so horrible that I’m amazed it’s even a god damned discussion. Makes NO sense, pollutes more, releases WAY more carbon for the same amount of traveled distance all things considered, heavily complicates the car since not only does the car need an EV battery, it has to accommodate the extra cell, which will cost more of-course, pollute more, and do nothing for the average folk apart from taking power out of their hands, for nothing, and to pollute even more. This topic is insane, I’m amazed more engineers aren’t on top of debunking it.
Here is the lie, because this implies more carbon released in the atmosphere. It’s not free. Anything that can power the “infrastructure” can be directly supplied to cars, via copper cables. You will always have this issue, you cannot hide from it. ANY source of energy you can imagine can be used to power EVs instead of your hydrogen thing. You cannot escape this, there’s no way around it. You are lying, shamelessly for that matter.
Again, all of this is pure gibberish. Both fuel cells and batteries are electrochemical systems. Both have the same level of efficiency in the theoretical sense.
STOP FUCKING LYING DUDE!!! Just fucking stop You have an EXTRA conversion step, from hydrogen to electric, whereas battery doesn’t. You will have losses and you cannot avoid them. Even with zero losses (which is not possible in our reality) I’d still take an EV just to not have to deal with the extra cell bullshit + control I’d give to “special Hydrogen juice” sellers. Stop lying. Just stop, you are plainly lying with no damned shame.
Green hydrogen can power any aspect of transportation. You do not need to have to involve carbon
Stop lying. You automatically have more carbon in the air by using Hydrogen for the same amount of “mined” energy. You will use more energy in the end using Hydrogen. You cannot have a reliable source of Hydrogen energy for the car sector, as compared to electrical current. You are not receiving that Hydrogen from the Sun, for free. It will cost more and pollute more. Hydrogen is the petrol industry in disguise. You want to pollute more, liars.
No you are obviously lying, with no shame. I cannot believe this bullshit. How can you have the same efficiency for making hydrogen then converting to electric at car motor be equal as having electric in the first place delivered via cables? There’s no way you are not trolling.
Green hydrogen is made by electrolysis of water using wind and solar energy.
YES! So why not use that electrical energy you use for electrolysis, to power the car? Electrolysis has losses, then another set of losses when converting back to electric at car motor. I cannot believe this bullshit, how the hell can you lie with no shame? There’s no way you can avoid these losses, this is basic level of understanding you do not need a EE degree for it. You cannot avoid losses, and they are forever ingrained in the nature of our reality. The only thing you can do is continue to try and misrepresent the situation, and lying. You are literally hand waving the losses, it’s surreal.
You cannot make hydrogen via electrolysis and come out equal on the other end. You just cannot. If you spend energy on making hydrogen, transport that hydrogen, have the cell convert it back to electric, you WILL have losses as compared to getting the electricity you used for electrolysis and transport it via cables to car. You cannot beat that for efficiency, and that’s without the whole hydrogen transport and manufacture infrastructure. That all adds up to losses and carbon released in the air. This level of misrepresenting reality is surreal
I’m not sure you understand how small the losses are to transport electricity from source to car battery. You cannot beat it for efficiency and you will pollute more just so others which are clearly NOT YOU get more money and power and control over people. That’s it. It’s about money and against our safety on this planet, since the hydrogen bullshit pollutes more. It’s anti-green by default and no amount of washing will change that.
Stop lying and shilling something you don’t even understand so others get more money and destroy the planet. Stop contributing to this shit cause dude, you are literally willing to make everything worse just so you get paid. There’s no way a reasonable human which understands what is happening is siding with hydrogen. Also you’re simply hand waving away serious issues about the whole thing
At this point we are in the situation where PR companies that are pro and against Musk are fighting eachother in public spaces in the hopes that both brainwash as many people as possible, into their narrative. Nobody can tell the truth anymore, we’re in that period now.
I never really understood why is it so complicated to also have Signal on the phone? I mean most people have a shit ton of stupid apps anyway. It’s not like it slows your phone down or anything. Just use Signal as well until most people also have it, and then you can choose to ditch the other apps. It’s like one extra icon in your app list. Also this is the fastest way to ditch shit apps, have everyone use Signal in parallel with the shit ones.
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How About a Hydrogen car? Massive Discounts on 2023 Toyota Mirai (www.hydrogenfuelnews.com)
Amidst California’s ongoing efforts to promote environmentally friendly transportation and the changing landscape of hydrogen fuel infrastructure, Toyota has announced a dramatic rebate of up to $40,000 off MSRP for the 2023 Toyota Mirai.
There is some Tesla brigade working hard to remove everything from the internet that makes them look bad.
The last couple days I’ve noticed every post that shows Tesla not looking good, has been removed from some higher directive. Not deleted by OP....
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