JustZ

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JustZ,

It’s like “young people and liberals” aren’t a monolith and many of them are simply wrong as to the facts and have been tricked by foreign manipulators.

JustZ,

That’s a symptom.

JustZ, (edited )

And Iran. And all of Hamas’s many supporters throughout the world.

JustZ,

Wtf are you talking about?

JustZ,

Canadians also do not have the right to vote in American elections.

JustZ,

Elect a group of far right religious criminals to take over your government, cancel all future elections, and then spend sixty years plundering your vast natural resources, corrupting all institutions and foreign relations, and sending suicide bombers down here, and we can see about that.

This didn’t happen over night. Gaza had chance after chance after chance. Even now: well meaning people there could point out the tunnels, point out Hamas.

No? Okay, they’re obviously comfortable enough with the status quo. Sorry they are brainwashed into being useful idiots for terrorists. Their deaths are clearly on Hamas’s hands.

JustZ,

They aren’t alive though, why are we counting them?

JustZ, (edited )

It’s a dumb question. Hamas puts the kids in harm’s way, Hamas and their loyal supporters. They love nothing more than their own kids dead from Israeli weapons, it’s the only way they will win this war, tricking well meaning people such as yourself.

800,000 people left Rafah safely. Blame Hamas for 0.006% of them being killed. What did Hamas do this time, tell them the evacuation was fake or hold them against their will?

More likely they just indoctrinated them over decades, convinced them it’s patriotic and holy to sit inside a room with terrorists to be used as fodder for Qatari and Iranian state media to try to drum of western support. At some point they realized this is more effective than suicide bombings.

JustZ,

They didn’t put the kids in with the terrorists, the terrorists did. They don’t get to dictate the terms of battle because it makes a small minority of westerners too sad to see any nuance or larger picture.

JustZ,

Rediculous. They are the same in every respect except where they want the seat of the new Islamic caliphate to be, after they’ve killed all the Jews.

Hamas can’t get its members to stop paying dues to ISIS, and vice versa, the leaders had to declare war against each other to let them know how super serious they are about poaching each others suicidal nutjobs.

JustZ,

Tell Palestinians to excise their Iranian corruption, tell us where Hamas is hiding, and where the tunnels are located.

Until then, the Palestinians don’t want Palestinians to be able to have free fair elections, who cares that you do?

JustZ,

The terrorism came first.

JustZ,

Nobody is seeking out kids to kill except Hamas.

JustZ, (edited )

Yes those are figures. Really speaks to the absolute abysmal failure of Hamas to act like leaders.

JustZ,

Yes, there is no moral defense for hamas’s decision to let these kids die.

JustZ,

The terrorism against Jews started long before Israel.

JustZ,

And where were the Jews before that?

JustZ, (edited )

They have always been content with letting children die, and with killing children. No pretzels. I have a consistent model. Happy to try and explain any distinction for you.

JustZ, (edited )

We get it, you’re such a good person. I was talking about their parents and older relatives. Obviously the kids are innocent victims.

JustZ,

No?

JustZ, (edited )

Literally every post you make is you putting words in my mouth. It’s just very obvious to me why so many innocent victims are dying.

JustZ,

It doesn’t.

JustZ,

I agree. The history is irrelevant. Israel is there now. Those who stood to oppose it have been defeated politically and military and if they were at all led by legitimate, well intended non-genociral, non-criminals, they’d surrender, sue for peace. They literally don’t want peace, though.

JustZ, (edited )

Wtf are you talking about? The earliest recorded history of the Levant is in Hebrew, written by Judites. The Ottoman Empire (far right pan Islamists) rounded them up, massacred them, took many as slaves, tortured them, and gave them negligeble rights for the last two thousand years, and it was other own Islamists back and back.

Israel is there now though, and it’s not going anywhere. It is a democracy with a legitimate government and Gaza is a failed state occupied by terrorists, sorry to break the reality of political science to you.

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