PugJesus

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PugJesus,

Not in national legislature in this country. Honest question - have you checked out the process for passing bills in Congress? Not being a smart-ass or anything. It’s fucking byzantine and reliant on everyone in a slim majority (or slim supermajority, depending on what you’re trying to do) 100% playing ball. Sometimes it’s also reliant on the opposition playing ball. It’s insane. It’s dysfunctional in the extreme. And during Obama’s term, that dysfunction became worse than ever - either (depending on who you ask) because it had been steadily getting worse since the 90s, or because Obama was Black and the GOP took that opportunity to pander to their most racist supporters by being mindlessly obstructionist (or some mixture of both).

PugJesus,

They’ll say “They’re both the same!”

One will make it MUCH harder to organize and fight for a better future, in addition to very likely destroying what democracy we do have in this country and murdering hundreds of thousands of minorities.

The other will do, effectively, very little about anything, as insufficient as that is.

I think the choice is obvious, but apparently fascism is preferable to some self-proclaimed leftists.

PugJesus,

I’ll go tell my dead family members in Gaza that they’re actually “privileged”

Oh, great, then you can tell them that you’re supporting unlimited US aid for Palestinian genocide and for genocide of Palestinian Americans here in addition. I’m sure they’ll be so proud of your moral purity in doing so!

PugJesus,

Hey now!

It might be Israeli propaganda they’ve been fed. Bibi needs a Trump administration to keep him in power so he can genocide the West Bank too.

PugJesus,

If you have a viable way of doing so before the election, by all means, share your idea.

Otherwise, pull the lever and return to planning track disposal after election day.

PugJesus,

“More genocide is good, actually!” is about the take I expected from you.

PugJesus,

They’re fucking dead you fucking ghoul! They don’t give a shit about whether it was a blue or red president that have Israel the bombs that killed them. I guess they were just to “privileged”

Did I call them privileged? Pretty sure I didn’t. I called you privileged, which, considering that you’re calling for America to provide more bombs and weapons to Israel without the least care of the consequences, you pretty clearly are.

PugJesus,

So are you a pragmatist or not? You’re willing to compromise on Democratic support for genocide out of what you see as practical reality, why then are you doing the most impractical thing of trying to convince millions of voters to be pro-genocide instead of working to convince one single politician to do the right thing?

Have you not been paying attention to public support for Israel in the US for the past forty fucking years?

Let’s go down through the facts, shall we?

  1. A plurality of Dem voters still believe in CONTINUING TO SUPPLY ISRAEL WITH AID, ie exactly what Biden is doing, or INCREASING aid to Israel. They’re already pro-genocide by that standard.
  2. The braindead talking points parroted by these ghouls necessarily imply that NOT voting Biden will, in some way, alleviate genocide, when the exact opposite is the fucking truth.
  3. I already support protests and boycotts to influence Dem politicians, I just don’t support electing a literal fascist who has pledged to do everything he can to assist the ongoing genocide AND start a few here at home too, because I’m not a fucking moron.

No wonder Dems gave been getting dragged further and further to the right. With big brain strategy like this how could it not be inevitable that the party become more and more right-wing.

Please, tell me how the Dems are more right-wing now than in the 90s or 2000s. I’ll wait.

PugJesus,

Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that neoliberal condescension is not effective. Any brain dead moron could’ve learned that from 2016.

Anyone who has been paying attention should understand that fascism is not effective at reducing genocide. But I suppose it’s too much to ask to expect bootlickers to pay attention.

And watching Bill Maher doesn’t count as “keeping up on fireign affairs”.

Who the fuck watches Bill Maher? What year is it in your world?

PugJesus,

“Gaslighting is when you point out consequences of actions, and the more consequences you point out, the more gaslighting it is.”

10/10, no notes.

PugJesus,

I’m perfectly happy to say I think the people endorsing and committing genocide should be subject to the same violence they inflict on others.

I’m glad you think minorities in America are endorsing and committing genocide, down to every man, woman, and child, and support their genocide in turn. Very noble of you!

PugJesus,

We gotta go so far past picking between these two garbage choices

In the long-term, yes.

In the short-term, unless you’ve got an army with massive popular support for a government overthrow hidden in your garage, this is where we’re at.

PugJesus,

Biden’s support of Israel being pro-genocide doesn’t make supporting his opponent anti-genocide, considering his opponent has literally come out on record saying that Israel isn’t being genocidal ENOUGH for his tastes and that he would support them to the hilt, in addition to all the plans he has for genocide elsewhere, like Ukraine and the US.

PugJesus,

The fascists aren’t going to care about your silly little word games when they drag you away you know.

I know the fascists don’t care about words. That’s why you’re so loose with them.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

PugJesus,

My rep called for a permanent ceasefire. Makes me at least somewhat happy I voted for him.

PugJesus,

Thanks, but I’m a shameless meme thief. I’m just a meme vector!

PugJesus,

Liberal, I’m trying to help you.

lmao

PugJesus,

It’s debated that it’s better to let an unfortunate scenario in which multiple people die play out - allowing yourself to stay out of the picture and not be responsible - than to take action to minimize the damage, and by doing so become part of the picture and partly responsible for the damage that does occur.

“It’s debated”, yes. Most things are debated. Looking at the trolley problem, I don’t really have any respect for anyone who thinks that a strict deontological interpretation is worth murdering four extra people.

Inaction isn’t innocence, it’s a choice like any other.

PugJesus,

This is 100% bullshit. You being here trying to undermine those efforts and kneecap the influence that those efforts have proves that beyond a doubt. Don’t ever claim this again.

lmao, or what, you’ll send me to GULAG for daring to have opinions while not sucking off fascism?

They’ve literally been courting right-wing voters for decades so that they can ignore their progressive base (like you’re trying to help facilitate right now). Biden’s border policy is literally fucking identical to Trumps. Democrats propped up Trump and helped him get elected, they think propping up right-wing candidates makes their own Fascist Lite candidates more viable. It’s literally the only way they can win elections now, by trying to scrape off an increasingly meaningless minority of “disillusioned republicans”.

So the only thing you have is border policy. Before I outline anything, would you like to confirm that it is your solid opinion that Democratic border policy is more fascist now than in the 90s? I would just like to be certain that we’re all on the same page.

PugJesus,

Don’t worry, you’re actually super cool and everyone likes you. Anyone who says you’re an insufferable nerd is actually just an asset of the KGB.

Oh no

not a nerd

PugJesus, (edited )

Congratulations, you solved the trolley problem. I’ll let all of the philosophers of the world know so you can collect your prize

Thanks. I didn’t realize having strong moral convictions was so rare!

PugJesus,

What y’all don’t realise is at this point where humanity seems.past saving, maybe those “people just want to watch the world burn”. And they are therefore OK with seeing someone as despicable as Trump win. Just saying that shaming won’t get you anywhere in that instance

In that case, speaking as someone with multiple suicide attempts under his belt, I can assure them of two things:

  1. Dying ain’t all it’s cracked up to be. I wouldn’t recommend it.
  2. There are easier ways to die than trying to take the rest of the world with you in a descent into fascism and genocide.
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