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On hiatus if not gone from beehaw. Beehaw was good in theory, but they are similar to the east coast liberals mlk jr wrote about. Centists for religion aint my cup of tea, considering all the harm it has and continues to cause. It doesn’t make a queer feel safe at all.

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I mean. They’re doubling down on stupid i think it’s fair to call them out on it. In order to follow most organized religion, you are taught to kill critical thinking and have faith. It’s literally a part of the whole thing

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I think 75% of the population literally try not to have critical thinking in one major aspect of their life that literally says don’t think, have faith.

It’s a part of religion to not think, to follow and obey. It’s sweet you want to defend them in other avenues, but cognitive dissonance is also causing a lot of sorrow and pain while religious people on majority are standing back and following their leaders, even the progressive ones, aren’t willing to progress fast enough. They’re still following something that’s usually mostly historically been oppressive and regressive to maintain power over the masses.

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It’s about one small group. And one that couldn’t stop being taken over by assholes and has a schism because the more conversative left.

Among those who say they were raised exclusively by Protestants, roughly eight-in-ten now identify with Protestantism, including 80% of those raised by two Protestant parents and 75% of those raised by a single parent who was Protestant. Most who were raised exclusively by Protestants but who no longer identify as such are now religious “nones,” with smaller numbers now identifying with Catholicism or other religions.

I have done a lot of research and could have a nuanced discussion. I don’t think claiming people who have negative options are “2010 Atheists” is the bit of a bigot in this case. I think religion has enough people carrying water who were just raised in it and don’t think critically.

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You’re a mod and being this way publicly? Personally attacking?

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They’re responding to the mods energy.

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You don’t see an issue with a MOD starting with

Can we please move beyond this 2010 New Atheism view

That’s really not something a mod should say and pretty much dismissing an opinion without even engaging it. I guess atheists are just ok to dismiss and deny an opinion?

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They could argue their point and were not attacking anyone specific. The mod continued to be upset and eventually attacked the poster specifically, when the posted stayed hypothetical.

If you don’t know how dismissive of atheists that saying is, how it’s used to shut down their opinion, which they were sharing without attacking someonee specifically, likely because they became atheists after a lot of personal work, is exactly why atheists get shut out of a conversation.

Is their opinion not valid? Have they attacked anyone or taken any rights, or just expressed an opinion they offered to discuss and never attcked anyone?

Literally they pointed out the flaws in the mods argument and the mod got mad. Only one group was being aggressive, one group made a mildly flippant joke and was willing to discuss the nuance. One became sarcastic and rude.

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I am disengaged, i have a life and the site was down.

If you don’t see the dog whistles that started because teens leaving religion on the internet were trying to explore themselves and break from what most people only follow because they were raised in it that the internet dismissed because of memes more than actual atheists causing issues.

Then beehaw is as bad as i was suspecting about trying too hard to appeal to everyone. You clearly wanted your mods words to be taken with respect and NOT users. If YOU are an admin and cannot see how your staff started issues and someone simply stepped in and stood firm, then you don’t allow people to stand up for themselves and as a queer atheist i get it, it’s not as popular, but you wouldn’t let any other minority group be treated this way and your administration needs to think about that.

Beehaw is good in theory but when you do not allow anyone to discuss things and come after the group who was under attack, your team needs more experience. I wish you all well and maybe beehaw will mature, but right now it’s centist leaning new age more than anything based on reality.

[Serious] Can someone explain what a "tankie" is?

I’m very OOTL when it comes to a lot of the major divides in online communities because thankfully I’ve managed to avoid most of the arguing. I’ve noticed a lot of instances say “no tankies” as one of their first rules and figured this might be the only place I could get a real answer....

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The wikipedia is a pretty good write up. but generally you see it in European or multicultural spaces more than American centered, though it has entered the discussions, most no one knows what it means when they are using it.

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Built with zero regulations so it falls apart in two years.

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Why can’t we admit rual areas are a failure and get people closer to where they work and what they provide?

Farms have been living on government hand outs for decades. It’s just unfair to act like rural areas arent ALREADY taking more than they give.

Rural America is a failed state.

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I am sorry you are struggling with this. There’s nothing wrong with keeping yourself safe by not coming out, but that doesn’t do anything for the feeling of being trapped.

I’m not you, but i hope that you’re able to find some space where you are able to be yourself, perhaps a friend group or an online support group?

Being alone and feeling abandoned by a partner is such a terrible feeling. Perhaps, since it all feels spiralling anyway, asking him bluntly for clarification, if you think he’s gone it’ll at least give you answers maybe?

There’s not a magical set of words that will work for you, so throw away anything i have said that doesn’t work. Most of all i wanted you to know people saw you and care you are in pain, even if they are just text on a screen. 💙

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That’s really hard, especially when it sounds like he was a lot of your life focus. I would be as worried as you, it sounds like you arent able to get any answers at the moment.

To protect yourself, could he have ghosted you in this way to make it easier on himself? Had he ever been conflict avoidant? It’s shitty, but i hear a lot of younger people, without respect to the pain they are causing, flaking out in such a manner.

It may be important that you see if you can find some friends, someone to support you but who you’re not so dependent on. It’s a horrible feeling to have our stability dependent on someone else when sadly humans can be such flawed and weak creatures.

It’s so important you find something inside yourself for you. I have been depressed a long time, (not nearly been put in the situation you have been with a partner) and for me i settled on a weird philosophy that i didn’t choose my birth, but (i am not religious or spiritual) if i go too soon, ill never have a chance to know or experience anything when i die. For me ive settled on leaving when it happens, and trying to get through each day one day at a time.

It’s unlikely that’ll work for you, too, cause it’s such a personal thing to figure out. Im guessing your parents wouldn’t get you a therapist just for you to talk shit out?

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I am going to not be able to find obscure gifs i remember from the 2000’s 😩

is Conservative/Right Wing opinions completely unwelcome on Lemmy?

I don’t have much of a problem either way as I don’t think I’ll be engaging in political discussion on this website past this post but it seems like any sort of non-left wing opinions or posts are immediately trashed on here. That’s fine. There’s clearly a more liberal audience here and that’s okay. I just don’t...

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I’m not sure why “I don’t want to see a space become an echo chamber” is always what gets said. Everywhere else IS a right wing echo chamber for the most part? Conservatives aren’t the ones chased from reddit and twitter?

What probably isnt welcome is questioning people’s right to exist, right to live unmolested because of someone else’s beliefs (and real molested, not "i saw a minority existed), and the right to make your own medical choices for yourself and your kids. Considering means testing has been proven a waste and the right opposes taxing fair share, i wouldn’t even argue that actual financial conservation is even a point the party makes.

So it’s really hard to see what need this space has for those talking points. Unless it’s actually about being open to real discussion, which frankly facts aren’t often on the side of the right, what good to this community do these ideas offer?

What should be asked is what place does the Right/Conservative philosophy as a whole have in the Lemmy ethos? Is it in and of itself could be argued to be an antithesis to the whole structure and philosophy. Can authoritarian ideals thrive where they cannot take power?

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Oh yeah tumblr. They pride themselves on being extreme i think in some of the spheres, where as i think nost people in this space are sharing deeply held beliefs. Most of the extreme stuff i see from there seems to be teens/outrage bait.

I forget the ages but i think beehaw/lemmy skews a tad older?

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God i hate discords and what they have done with gaming documentation. I am completely turned off by any indie dev who requires you join their discord.

But im here, clearly i like forums. The fact that discord is basically backwards adding in forums with their threads thing is proof forums are still useful!

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“We do not condone death threats and will continue to remove accounts when we believe their posts represent targeted harassment or a credible threat of violence. But not all heated language crosses the line into a death threat,” Graber said in a weekend thread. “Wisely or not, many people use violent imagery when they’re arguing or venting. We debated whether a “death threat” needs to be specific and direct in order to cause harm, and what it would mean for people’s ability to engage in heated discussions on Bluesky if we prohibited this kind of speech.”

Well I was curious about Bluesky (they’re still on a waitlist when I check so even their beta has bad actors lol) but a space that hems and haws about death threats? You can be the rudest son of a bitch and never threaten harm! This reminds me of that stupid decision by the Supreme Court that “oh well they didn’t REALLY intend to kill you”. If someone threatens me, it becomes my job to decide if it was real or not? Wtf?

Goddamn free speech absolutism has taken some crazy pills. I remember ‘fighting words’ concept, a death threat used to be understood as almost enough to warrant self-defense preemptively. Now everyone does it and “don’t really mean it”. 🙄

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yup! I also know there are some in 'safe' social groups who make the threats because they, as a member of that group, never (or so rarely they aren't ACTUALLY worried) get attacked. But the groups they use death threats against DO experience such violence, (a fact that the free speech absolutist will argue against, while not even listening to the facts of the matter) and at the very least, I know I second guess the effort of engaging anyone who is willing to threaten to hurt me specifically. Or a question the value of talking with someone like that.

So that is why free speech absolutists LIKE being allowed to make death threats: those who experience violence disengage (or leave) and no one arguing makes them feel in the right. "No one is disagreeing, it means I am correct! It has nothing to do with the shotgun I put in the face of anyone who talks to me!"

It is horrifying.

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Im still frustrated at the lie and gaslighting that bathrooms were ever some strictly gendered space. Growing up, women going into the mens room happened a lot at sport events. Fathers would take their kids into the lady's when the men's didn't have a changing table.

Most people want to do what they need to do an get out.

And if someone's gonna assault you, the swing door with a stick figure with a dress aint gonna stop them.

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Could be hot flashes? I know some ladies who felt hotter at a cooler temperature after hrt. Like they used to hang out in 90 degree weather and now only can tolerate low 80s. It's only an issue cause they live in a hot place.

Other than checking with an endo it could just be your new normal with a different hormone profile.

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Nonbinary feminine is a label people use, I don't see why you can't for a while and see how it fits? Doesn't have to mean anything more to you than "cis woman isnt fitting me right now, i feel like a nonbinary woman", or it doesn't have to lead to you changing pronouns.

I have one friend who's identity is "i want you to know i am not a woman but i am definitely explicitly not he/him" and they use she/her and they/them right now.

I shave my head because it's comfortable. It has nothing to do with any gender presentation, but people will almost always assume masculine on some end. Do you think being misgendered would upset you? If someone sees how you want to present and calls you an identity that isnt you, how would that make you feel?

Not to discourage you! Just stuff to think about! I find a lot of things can be boiled down in society to masculine vs feminine, but it feels like they have to enforce those boundaries so firmly because they're really socially constructed (fashion and presentation especially!) And really a lot of people feel the same about some fabrics, textures, designs, etc.

Good luck finding your happiness 😊

azureeight,
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What's that saying? Good luck getting blood from a stone...

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Your generation does the job listing that requires that generation to get a degree?

The irony of "i got mine during a better economy, fuck them kids" is a stance you are proud of.

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If you are on PC and have never check them out, I totally suggest checking out NIS games as they almost always have a fun story mixed with humor as well as some really heart wrenching things you accompany the characters on.

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More and more it seems like to have rights you need to either form a corporation or a religion. 🥲

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Ice cream and special brownies.

Maybe it's just because i play with chatbots for fun, but the posts i was seeing already felt like fake engagement. As much as i was addicted, the content was so empty it wasn't even able to hold me doom scrolling.

There's something special about a real space with real people and reddit, especially the largest spaces, havent been that in a while. Half of amitheasshole is copied replies on fake stories. 😩

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I suffer from not enjoying activies after i do them for a while too. Probably not the sams thing, but i have a small rotation of things i change between.

My goal is my own entertainment tho, I don't know if you want entertainment or like, a hobby that produces something. If you feel pressured to be productive that's gonna make any hobby you arent instantly good at feel really depressing. :(

But looking back i wish i had learned some music. If you're really interested, you could study what's called "music theory" to then see if you want to go further. I found one guy who was talking about music theory on YouTube and it made me want to learn more this is his playlist of songs that are based on classical music!

azureeight,
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Super awesome news! It takes a ton to change habits and set new ones, and a lot of people arent strong enough. 30 more towards being the you that you want to be!

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Rofl yeah cause you and yours definitely had such a hard time. 🙄

I was too but my family was busy fuckin and working in autobody shops. It was nothing keeping them back but themselves.

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Thanks for sharing the numbers! I've never been very good at knowing the usefulness of data as a consumer, but it's neat to know the average of users. 😁

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That's a lot of words for you to say you literally have zero understanding how the lived experience of people of color is very different.

Beehaw wants to be better than reddit, which was mostly straight white men voices at the detriment of everyone else. It's really dishonest as even in the EU the loved experience of people of color is different.

It's really ignorant and narrow-minded of you as white people are a minority worldwide but the majority in wealth and tech. A space that celebrates people of color is rare and why oh fucking why do you HAVE to make it about you?

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It feels really weird like, is someone "lighter" or "white"? Can you show anywhere in a country like you describe where white is used for demographics or are you just trying to make an argument?

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I wasn't sure if pointing out all the JAQing off would be appropriate. I always knew they were coordinated, but they just showed up so fast! 😩

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I'm aware? You acted like people would choose the wrong choice.

Your "white" class is still the rich minority, so if they fell for the wrong choice, it will still be helpful to show the number of people who are privileged.

You PLEASE look up global colonization and how it effected every culture plz. Don't talk down to me. Your intentions sound like they are to cause trouble not to be helpful.

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I am hostile? You spoke to me like I was a fool.

Learn to give the respect you want. Learn to not act like the person you are talking to is a fool.

You need to work on YOUR actions if you do not understand how disrespectful and dismissive you are. You don't get to talk to anyone with disrespect and demand it yourself.

But you're just running around JAQing off and either need to educate YOURSELF or you're an bad actor and I don't have space in my life to figure out if you just never learned to treat others with respect or if you're posting because you're exactly the kind of entitled privileged person we are so sad we have a lot of.

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Um, global colonization influenced colorism?

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They were asking questions. They then answered my question (can you show anywhere that 'white' is used in demographics in the area so there would be any point of confusion, because otherwise they are asking the question in bad faith) with reference to educating me, which wasn't the conversation at all.

I am then rude for standing up for what was clearly actually not in good faith or from the sake of discussion?

I thought beehaw was above falling for 'politeness' (i didn't call anyone names at all either, i called out behavior, but i appreciate that this space is already choosing concerned trolling over honest discussion but "just asking questions" clearly is approved of) and allowed bad faith participating but i guess dogwhistles are often missed.

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Youtube shorts being visually hard to tell the difference but being in my sub lists AND breaking the queuing is obnoxious. I have been cutting myself off from google products as much as I can, they are just so shitty now.

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I just started back up one that I rarely see talked about: Ever Oasis. Does it do everything perfect? No, but it's a cute little handheld game where I get to help an adorable water spirit save adorable seedlings and owl people. There's characters to befriend and take on quests too! It offers a lot, but cause it was on the 3ds I don't think too many people have played it.

Outside of that, Harvest Moon: A Wonderful Life is my nostalgia favorite so I am hopeful about the remake.

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There are dozens of us dozens!

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It is really sweet! It's a simple story about trying to save basically the world!

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So what this says is basically you can say anything to anyone, as long as you don't intend to see them physically? We have no right to tell someone to stop contacting us, everyone has a right to access people, no matter how abusive, if they don't really mean to do it (based on self reporting of the stalker to their intentions, NOT off of any level of what they said).

I bet i would have officers at my door if everyone in the supreme court's families got these sorts of messages from me repeatedly, from throw away accounts and bots, even if i had no intention of doing more than that.

Harassment just isn't a thing anymore for normal people i guess. Everyone celebrating the other hand down the SC did today missed the horrifying one.

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But this isn't a kid sending 50 messages.

“I’m currently unsupervised. I know, it freaks me out too, but the possibilities are endless,” read another.

Some of the messages suggested the target, a singer-songwriter who’s referred to as C.W. in court documents, was being watched. Others made vague, confusing references to phone lines being tapped. When C.W. blocked Counterman’s account, more messages would appear from new accounts in a pattern that persisted for two frightening years.

So if i called you or mailed you or did any of this in person i would be punished. The idea that we are able to say absolutely anything online is foolish.

In their dissent, they grapple with the potential consequences of this ruling and the impact it may have on victims of harassment and stalking, as well as efforts to impose restraining orders on other people who make violent threats.

“Imagine someone who threatens to bomb an airport. The speaker might well end up barred from the location in question—for good reason,” Justice Barrett writes. “Yet after today, such orders cannot be obtained without proof—not necessarily easy to secure—that the person who issued the threat anticipated that it would elicit fear.”

I want to know how saying you are going to do something isnt even "half credit" towards it.

What i think? I think if someone sends someone something threatening and they mean it or not, the person has a right to their lives to say stop. After that you should be charged for forcing yourself without consent into someone's lives. I don't know why that's a crazy opinion?

Verbal threats of violence used to be punishable. I don't see a difference in what this man did and harassing someone and we punish that.

There is zero part of me that is worried punishing death threats online is some how a societal ill. In fact i argue that not enough people are held to the social and civil contract we all make with each other online and they need to be reminded they are interacting with humans.

Also, if this man really cannot understand how what he said was harmful, i think he especially needs to be thrown away as a human being. What worth is someone who harasses a stranger for two years to our global community?

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Maybe im so normie i don't get it, but isnt it about the same personal advice we would have given for any platform?

Im sorry I'm from the forum days when you always knew you were responsible for how safe you are. I'm laughing because people can't get their data deleted from corporate companies either, is it really still news anything you post is public and will probably not be removable?

I appreciate the care, i do, but on some level some of this is trying to bubble people who aren't being responsible. If admins really wanted to protect people from themselves, then we'd remove most personally identifiable things interesting and unique about posts.

I'd also argue stalking has more to do with the mental health issues of the stalker than the victim being to blame for how they interacted with the world. We don't tell a student not to participate in lectures because someone may latch onto something they said and become infatuated. We punish stalkers instead.

Idk this is a ramble. I see so many things so often that used to be personal responsibility on online safety, that instead of teaching the skills we make tools. And i feel like not teaching good personal safety and protection is goong to doom any project ultimately.

You can't fix ignorance without education.

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Starting the fun task of looking for work. Have a few prospects but god i just wish i had another option. Still, im not at risk of being back homeless and i got some time to rest so i should be grateful. I just had hoped i would be more mentally healthy before i had to go back, you know?

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Thank you for the kind words. It's never as bad as I feel like it'll be, but the apprehension is kicking my butt. Logically I know every job I have had, they were unhappy to see me go! Brains are so weird sometimes...

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