azvasKvklenko

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azvasKvklenko,

PopOS is currently using modified GNOME on Xorg. It’s impossible to get mixed refresh rates on Xorg/X11 (which is the legacy display protocol) and with your setup you are pretty much stuck with Wayland (the modern display protocol still, still progressing as a platform) - which is what you tried first if you used Nobara, whether it’s KDE or GNOME.

Note that PopOS 24.04 (that will be released this fall iirc) will in fact run on Wayland with all new Cosmic desktop (it’s first full DE written from scratch since like 90s) and promises great NVIDIA support - which can definitely be the case given recent updates.

Now on the flickering issues that you experienced, they’re specific to the NVIDIA driver and are just being ironed out. There is the new explicit sync Wayland protocol, new NVIDIA driver, patches for XWayland, patches for Mesa, maybe something more. It still might require pulling something that didn’t make it to stable distro repositories, but I think Nobara provides that and for sure will when 40 will get released soon-ish. I don’t have NVIDIA GPU, but I saw conversations on Nobara Discord and they help each other get NVIDIA going so maybe ask there.

The time frame is a bit of a problem here. If you want to avoid tinkering, hold for a little longer and in few months most distros (that ship a Wayland session) will most likely just work with your setup. If you want it now, feel free to get your hands dirty and find a way to run NVIDIA on Wayland with explicit sync support.

azvasKvklenko,

In early Steam Deck showcase videos there were talks with Valve guys like Lawrence Yang, and IIRC they simply said that it is easier for them to build the system that way, not that they couldn’t continue using Debian.

I think the reason for that might be that Debian has pretty strict package and dependency policies and sometimes it’s not easy to put cutting edge solutions on top of the „stable” base, so they would end-up using unstable/sid anyway, which still isn’t ideal as there is some freezing happening every now and then. Also Debian packaging system feels quite dated and strict comparing to PKGBUILD format, and it’s simply easier to build custom packages, having single build instruction file is super convenient and unlike with Debian at times, replacing whatever core system packages without breaking half of the dependency tree is usually easily doable on Arch.

azvasKvklenko,

Fedora 39 still have some lifetime until 12-11-2024, so Nobara 40 release is some time between now and that date, but also sooner rather than later.

azvasKvklenko, (edited )

I installed Ubuntu 24.04 on my grandma’s computer and her printer suddenly started printing human anuses

azvasKvklenko,

Unetbootin in 2024? Jeez, just use Belena Etcher for single ISO, or dd if you are already on Linux (it should work on Mac as well) or Ventoy for simply folder of your bootable isos

azvasKvklenko,

Is HDR now possible for Wine with winewayland.drv or is it still wrapped in Gamescope and use the WSI Vulkan layer?

azvasKvklenko,

What if it’s not typo, but actual playlist for meditating clam?

azvasKvklenko,

Ah memories… So much music I fell in love with using this player. I used it regularly throughout high school time and now it’s like 12 years ago, I feel old.

azvasKvklenko,

Wayland is not a single program. It’s specification and set of basic client/server libraries that can be used to implement a compositor. Compositor are implementations of the Wayland protocol and there are multiple such programs that are different one from another, but generally serve the same purpose and are compatible with the same clients. General idea behind Wayland compositor is that it blends images from different clients into single frame that is then sent to kernel

azvasKvklenko,

Some app needs to implement this. How about Wine in winewayland.drv? :D Firefox is also an excellent candidate

azvasKvklenko,

CDs were 700MB

azvasKvklenko,

I’d say it depends and it’s mostly just a theory that applies in some cases (like with kernel, critical infrastructure, server software) but usually desktop stack in LTS is just stinky old, which doesn’t make it any more stable, in some cases less stable.

Usually desktop environments are locked to some old versions and in theory fixes should get applied by the distro maintainers. In practice, actual developers behind desktops long moved on and don’t support it, bugs can only be fixed by huge code rework and it can’t be easily applied on top of old version (or can introduce new bugs and require testing). You end up with bugs that were fixed in upstream like 2 years ago and you will only get it improved upon new LTS upgrade cycle.

For example, LTS absolutely sucks for Plasma, because for last few years, each version is less and less buggy. On Debian/Ubuntu you won’t even get current version as they release the new OS, let alone recent inprovement

azvasKvklenko,

I thought it was a Doom map at first

azvasKvklenko,

That sounds like problem with specific software configuration, like missing packages in some distro or something being badly built. There’s nothing about Wayland that would prevent it from working.

azvasKvklenko,

You mean Plasma 6.0.2, not 6.2 - that will be released in a year.

Use X11 to Wayland Video bridge to get screen sharing working with any X11 app that can’t talk to desktop-portal/PipeWire (such as Discord)

What’s worth noting is that applications, as of now can’t affect window positioning in any way. It’s all about how compositor (kwin_wayland in this case) is placing them. Personally I don’t care that much because I’ve got shortcuts to quickly move windows between screens or desktops. You might consider looking at window rules - they’re pretty neat on KDE.

Shutting down? What???

On the tdrop thing, I wouldn’t expect it to be possible in near future, but how about Yakuake?

azvasKvklenko,

Wayland is not a standalone server like Xorg and it doesn’t have standard utilities to control stuff like DPMS. That functionality goes to compositors that are effectively individual Wayland server implementations. Compositors can provide utilities to control display, and they usually do. For example, on KDE Wayland you can call kscreen-doctor --dpms off, wlroots compositors (Sway, Wayfire, Hyprland,…) have inter-compatible tools, like swaymsg output DP-1 dpms off. If that’s what you meant anyway.

azvasKvklenko,

VRR on X11 doesn’t work with multi screen setup, so it might be broken for a lot of people

azvasKvklenko,

I’d say perfect date is dd-mm-yyyy. All other formats are just wrong

azvasKvklenko,

I used to have more faith in people in general and believed this can actually happen. I changed my mind.

People are generally ignorant and even when working in tech where there’s a lot of interaction with Linux machines, most people I meet couldn’t care less about Linux on desktop. With how obvious advantage of free software might look at glance, it’s very rare for me to see somebody actually caring about freedom, privacy and being in full control over the piece of hardware they’re using or even seeing anything bad in blind trust towards big tech. Companies are stupid enough to on one hand not trust their employees and locking down their work machines, on other sucking corporate cock and enforcing intrusive services or straight up sending their data right to multi-billion companies for the sake of convenience.

I don’t blame home users who can’t or don’t want to switch for whatever reason. They’re just consumers using devices they’ve bought, there’s no reason to force them to the change. It gets really bad with public institutions though, where Windows remains the king on desktop and Microsoft does its best for that to never change. Everything relies on one corporation that is trusted to drive computers to deal with confidential stuff. When there’s security flaw in their software, only MS can fully understand what’s going on (in a timely manner, ofc it can be reverse-engineered) and fix it, which was already an issue numerous times. If I believe there might be some big shift in the desktop space, it’s definitely stuff like military and all sorts of national institutions in many different countries. To some degree it already happens in Germany and France among others.

As for home users and gamers, I believe the market can grow some more, but Windows won’t go anywhere anytime soon and will stay on dominating position in that area for decades to come. Maybe it will only be replaced eventually when the concept of personal computing will change drastically and traditional PCs that we know will become irrelevant.

With recent advancements Linux is showing how it can be a viable alternative for some people, but keep in mind it has been around for 30+ years at this point and the kernel was already solid by mid-2000’s. The adoption really boils down to how complete and accessible it is. The first thing is impossible to get 100% as lot of missing features comes from lack of hardware/software vendor support. The community can supplement a lot of it, but a lot remains unsupported. Without that, kinda hard to believe in a super significant shift.

azvasKvklenko,

That’s purely a desktop environment thing and they can behave bery differently. I don’t know about Cinnamon, but on KDE Plasma it’s not directly possible to replicate the behavior, however it lets you create as many panels on as many screens you want.

azvasKvklenko,

It’s much easier to lookup for info on hardware when you’ve got vendor/product ID or line from lsusb/lspci.

As far as my quick googling goes, one user asked for help on Linux Mint forums as the Wifi wasn’t detected by default. They advised them to upgrade kernel to a newer version and the problem was solved.

Interestingly, there’s that post on HP forums about Windows driver quality being crap and the card actually working better on Linux with its unofficial driver xD h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/…/9031507

azvasKvklenko,

Interesting how long will it take for Microsoft to notice people are angry enough to try Linux to loose their dumb policies and their intrusive changes a little.

There are some good advancements on the free desktop in general, that’s not only around gaming. Fingers crossed it gets good enough for at least some people to stay when there’s an influx of angry Windows users.

Let’s he honest - Windows is not going anywhere anytime soon and it will keep dominating for years to come, no matter how intrusive and anti-consumer it becomes. That doesn’t mean we can’t have competitive system with significant user base (around 10% of desktop market would probably be just enough)

azvasKvklenko,

I moved my gaming system there couple of weeks ago. It really is a nicely packaged system.

azvasKvklenko,

CTRL + C is for terminating process occupying current terminal. How would I do sysadmin without that?

azvasKvklenko,

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