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cypherpunks, to lemmy_support in How to become a moderator of an external community?
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Hi, I’m an admin on lemmy.ml. The account of the one existing mod of the session community here has apparently been deleted.

I’ve heard there are some bugs with moderation of remote communities, but, I just made you a mod there anyway. I don’t know the state of those bugs; it might work better if you made an account on this instance.

Btw, I recommend against using Session for a variety of reasons including the one I posted in your thread here.

cypherpunks, (edited ) to session in Is Session really secure and private?
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I just skimmed that audit (from 2021) and hit ctrl-f for “forward secret” (no results) and then “ratchet”… which found this:

Even though there is no ratchet mechanism as in Signal, no correlation exists between ciphering keys over time. This observation is made on the basis that crypto_box_seal creates a new key pair for each message, and attaches the public key to the ciphertext. crypto_box_seal creates an ephemeral keypair and uses the secret part with the recipient public key to craft a symmetric key in charge of ciphering messages. The recipient will extract the ephemeral public key from the ciphered message and will use their private key to regenerate the ephemeral symmetric key for this message.

Having an ephemeral DH public key included with each message does not make the symmetric key ephemeral and thus does not make the protocol forward secret, because the other side of the DH is the recipient’s long-term key. So, an adversary who records some ciphertexts and then compromises the recipient’s long-term private key years later can easily decrypt all of the old ciphertexts they collected.

There are several other reasons I wouldn’t recommend Session, but the lack of forward secrecy is a big one.

I haven’t read the rest of the audit but the fact that they gloss over the lack of forward secrecy and strongly imply that crypto_box_seal with one ephemeral key and one long-term key makes the symmetric key somehow “ephemeral” casts doubt on the credibility of the auditors.

I would recommend simplex.chat instead. There is a lemmy community for it at /c/simplex@lemmy.ml

cypherpunks, to memes in agile is far left too. I will die on this hill
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shoutout to the person who reported this post with “Reason: Bot meme, you can’t even read it. whoever replies is a bot too” 😂

cypherpunks, (edited ) to session in Is Session really secure and private?
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Thank you. I have read that the Session is not yet using quantum-resistant cryptographic algorithm. It is using X25519 which is an elliptic curve algorithm widely used for key agreement in TLS today. As a layman, I do not expect this to be a problem for a regular user (who is no target of the US three letter agencies) in the near future.

The lack of forward secrecy and lack of post-quantum encryption are orthogonal deficiencies. The development of a cryptanalytically-relevant quantum computer is only one of the ways that a long-term key could be compromised in the future, and forward secrecy without some PQ crypto does not actually even protect against that.

The reason to have forward secrecy (even if you don’t have PQ) is that long-term keys can be compromised in the future by malware or device seizure. See the forward secrecy wikipedia article i linked in my previous comment for more information.

According to www.securemessagingapps.com Session uses: X25519 / XSalsa20 256 / Poly1305

These are good cryptographic choices, albeit not PQ. The problem is that they aren’t being combined in a forward secret manner. It is very possible to build a forward secret protocol from these primitives (as many other projects have done) but Session opted not to. They actually were originally using Signal’s forward secret ratchet, but if i understand correctly it was too difficult for them so they just gave up on forward secrecy at some point and replaced it with this thing they have now.

While Simplex uses: Curve25519 / XSalsa20 256 / Poly1305

SimpleX actually added Streamlined NTRU Prime recently for quantum resistance. (And it was forward secret from the beginning, as one would expect of any protocol designed in the last 15 years or so…)

and Simplex does not provide transparency report

Actually they do, here: simplex.chat/transparency/index.html

and logs timestamps/IP addresses

Huh? I don’t think so… what makes you say that?

cypherpunks, to memes in agile is far left too. I will die on this hill
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i guess maybe if you’re using a device with a tiny screen and a lemmy client that doesn’t let you zoom in on images

cypherpunks, to nottheonion in ‘It’s time we put a felon in the White House,’ California sheriff says
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cypherpunks, to politicalmemes in TikTok resurfaces video of Trump saying US shouldn't have a president with felony conviction
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cypherpunks, to gaming in Indie dev baffled after acquaintance clones his game, puts it on Steam, and acts like it's no big deal: 'Happens every day homie'
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aptronymic!

cypherpunks, to asklemmy in What Era was the best and why was it the 90s?
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cypherpunks, (edited ) to news in A year after Titan sub implosion, an Ohio billionaire says he wants to make his own voyage to Titanic wreckage
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cypherpunks, (edited ) to unpopularopinion in Instant coffee is grand
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preferring instant to fresh coffee is the more popular opinion in much of the world, but it’s mostly in the same places where people would rather be drinking tea anyway:

world map of coffee vs tea preference by country

world map of instant vs fresh coffee preference by country. (it is a very similar map.)

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cypherpunks, to memes in The world we live in. I'm sure we will see someone bragging on the dark web
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cypherpunks, to chapotraphouse in ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀
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This doesn’t include the vehicle in the post, but has some similar ones like this:

black and white photo of a steam powered track-drive vehicle

The Hornsby steam crawler: 1910

This machine was shipped to Canada from England in 1910, being sold to the Northern Light Power & Coal Company for use hauling coal to the Klondike gold fields in the Yukon, where it worked until 1927. This was the only sale, and the Hornsby company became disillusioned with their "chain track"and sold the patent rights to the Holt Manufacturing Company in 1914.

see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_engine

cypherpunks, to technology in 17 cringe-worthy Google AI answers demonstrate the problem with training on the entire web
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/r/shittyaskreddit wasn’t supposed to be an instruction manual 🙄

cypherpunks, to science_memes in u all will learn the life cycle of frogs.
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np, you’re actually early

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