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tributarium

@tributarium@lemmy.world

a life well-lived is a life taken seriously with curiousity cultivated about the right things

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DAE find the attitude of most pet-owners to be more repulsive than that of most meat-eaters

I’m in a pretty vegan-friendly country with a long tradition of plant-based eating. Most people eat meat, but they are basically sympathetic to every meat-free argument: ethical, environmental, health. They sometimes do an awkward little shuffle & apologise for eating meat in front of me or say they’re part-time vegetarians...

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Speciesist take!

I grew up having pets, was responsible for a cat a little over a year ago, and literally logged on because I have been out there touching grass and can’t stand what I see anymore. Telling that all of your benefits are only benefits for the human owner.

Here’s the Vox article if anyone is curious, which is written professionally & convincingly & not out of despair like my post: vox.com/…/pets-dogs-cats-animal-welfare-boredom

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Dogs are a special case when it comes to arguing about contemporary pet ownership imo because of their uniquely entangled history with humans. (Human beings have had relationships with other animals “since time immemorial”–both prey/predator relations as well as cooperation like the Hadza honeyguide bird–but to my knowledge domestication per se is quite a new phenomenon. “Domestication” itself is a pretty polysemous term that needs further defining ig.) But that said, even though I absolutely tend towards thinking of foraging, pre-agricultural life as a space of strong egalitarianism, including on an interspecies level–perhaps to the point of idealising or romanticising–I don’t think anyone can presume to understand those early dynamics. I’d like to think dogs were partners rather than property, but I don’t know. I think in any case the truth cannot help but be more complicated than the attitude of “my pet is my baby and I love him and he loves me with his cute eyes and that’s the natural order of things!”

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Are you vegan or do you agree with the critiques of speciesism in other contexts?

“Stop typing, I believe nothing that you say about your history or what you’ve seen” doesn’t inspire much engagement in any case but there are some premises that I & this community generally take for granted that you…may not.

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I’ve been listening to Karen Bakker often lately (I may even read her book sometime) and if what she says about AI and other new technology being able to give us a method of interspecies communication is true…jesus christ, the moral revolution will be copernican.

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