Rabbithole

@Rabbithole@kbin.social

Be a better lemming

One of the things that sets Lemmy, and the collective fediverse apart from other platforms is its community. Recently, there’s been a large influx of new users (myself included; thus I apologize if this is not the right location for this post). A toxic trait associated with other platforms is the incorrect use of the downvote....

Rabbithole,

Seconded. Better than every other name I've seen floated yet.

Rabbithole, (edited )

So, is Spez finally beginning to realize just how badly Reddit shat the bed here then? Ha, good luck to them, their insanity just spawned eventual competitors and made a LOT of their userbase realize many things about Reddit that they weren't happy with at all.

Enjoy watching your site and it's IPO slowly collapse then. Time for something better.

Are lots of websites really going downhill and/or closing or does it just seem like it to me?

Like many people I'm here because of reddit going to shit. Twitter has increasingly been shit. gycat is shutting down in September. To me it seems like lots of bastions of social media are crumpling, but as a previous active reddit user, I've been personally effected. Is this just a frequency illusion or has something changed...

What I think kbin needs to do to survive, and why I think it has a better chance than any other Reddit alternative I've seen yet.

I’m a Reddit refugee who was on that platform for 10+ years. I saw not just a tremendous amount of controversies, but attempts at introducing alternatives to Reddit during all of them. The 2015 blackout saw a ton of alternatives suggested, and if you go back and look at them many have either not survived or never achieved...

Rabbithole, (edited )

The truth is most internet communities which found and advertise themselves as an alternative to Reddit die.

To be honest, there were damn good reasons why Voat, etc, died in a massive fire. The Reddit exoduses in question were from huge chunks of the userbase effectively being kicked out for being massive bastards/racists/bigots, etc. The communities that they spawned after leaving were absolutely horrific and nobody else on the internet wanted to go anywhere near them.

The current exodus is made up of actually normal people (at least, normal enough), and the reason we're here isn't just because we're all joined by hatred (weeeelllll... maybe a hatred of u/Spez in a lot of cases, ha!), but because we're genuinely looking for a better forum-space than what's been available recently until now.

Sure, there are similarities, we're still here because we find corporate control over the forum-space to be "oppressive" (just what an incel/racist would say, right?), but it's not because our views aren't tolerated there, it's just because we're really fucking tired of the cost of having somewhere to actually discuss things is that we're endlessly sold as a product, followed by our discussion area being destroyed by corporate greed. Over and over again.

The reasons why this place is getting busy is fundamentally different than the reason why the previous migrations created places like Voat or Parler, etc. We're already in a massively better position due to that alone.

Eventually, we need to get to the place where we’re creating unique meme formats

I agree with what you're saying in general, but I really hope that all of the interesting discussion here doesn't eventually get buried by memes like back on Reddit. Memes can be fun and all, but sorting a lot of otherwise really great niche-subs by top of all time back there was often a case of finding nothing of value at all because there were 50 pages of fucking memes at the top of the list. Personal preference, of course.

Rabbithole,

I found that, for me at least, memes on reddit were generally a negative aspect in most subs focussed on discussion.

They worked really well though when you had the main sub basically ban memes, but spawn a secondary sub specifically for them.

You get the best of both worlds there, where people can either take them or leave them, and the main sub doesn't end up with a massive noise to signal problem.

Rabbithole,

Well, don't I just feel all special now. :D

Rabbithole,

Anarchychess is a really great example of this, actually.

Holy Hell.

Rabbithole, (edited )

I'm not telling anyone to do anything, I'm stating my opinion about what I think works and why.

Different things.

And since you mentioned 196. It's still a decent example. I have 196 blocked because for me it's just noise that I don't want to see, because for me the content there has zero value.

The fact that I can block it completely (for me), get the result that I want and yet have that not effect anyone else's use of it at all is literally a good thing.

I personally find the entire sub worthless because of the almost total noise to signal ratio problems there, but that's personal preference on my part only, which I'm entitled to and merely means that I don't personally find the place useful. Having these sorts of things separate means that it works for everyone regardless of their preferences.

Also, If I did still wish to see 196 occasionally, I can choose to either just go there, or unblock it temporarily, and nothing I'm doing effects anyone else at all.

None of this is telling others what they're allowed to do, it's the opposite.

196 is a practically random community anyway, it's chaos and there's no real way to "drown out" the content internally with memes or anything because the memes are just as much the content there as anything else could be.

Rabbithole,

Not API related as google uses crawlers to scrape and index everything.

Use the following search term in google:

site:reddit.com subscribe to kbin magazine

Rabbithole,
Rabbithole,

Eh, this isn't going to be technically an exactly correct explanation, but roughly:

Kbin/lemmy, etc, are a distributed forum space, like reddit but more decentralized.

Mastodon, and a couple of others, I think, are a distributed Twitter-like system. So, same principle as Twitter, but distributed over many servers (instances) rather than being owned by one company/instance.

Kbin specifically works on both the forum space and the Twitter-like parts of the Fediverse. So, for interacting with the Mastodon Twitter-like stuff you have Microblogs, for interacting with the forum Reddit-like stuff you have Magazines and threads.

There are some differences between Twitter and Mastodon, but they're effectively going after serving the same need. You can use hashtags and stuff on Mastodon/Microblogs, etc, and have things end up getting listed in relevant places because of it.

If, for example, like me, you never had an interest in Twitter but are here because you want a forum-space, just ignore the Microblogs if you want.

Rabbithole,

Wow, nice write-up.

I've needed something with this level of detail for a couple of weeks or so now to get my head around exactly how this fits together.

I knew the broad strokes but not the details.

I'll be saving this, it's a great primer reference.

Dark Souls trilogy are all brilliant games, and are finally on a steam sale for the first time in a year and a half (i.imgur.com)

All three games are on sale on steam for the first time since January 2022 (to the best of my knowledge). If you’ve never given them a shot, now is the best time to do so as they don’t go on sale very often at all

Rabbithole,

Yeah, I did a literal double-take when I jumped into the Steam sale a couple of days ago and saw them discounted. Was so surprised.

Rabbithole,

For the love of all that's right in the world, what in the ever living hell is that website design...

It's like some kind of mad fever nightmare from a 2000s web designer with a crack habit.

Fraaaaames...

Rabbithole,

I just checked on mobile, it's horribly laggy for scrolling but you're right, it is vastly better than on desktop.

Rabbithole,

Dropped something in to help with costs. This thing really should be community funded.

Good luck Ernest!

Rabbithole,

It literally wouldn't surprise me to learn that Spez himself was personally wielding the banhammer whilst touching himself when it came to the Apollo shutdown.

Rabbithole,

You're seeing a bubble burst.

The VC money is drying up and the current social media funding paradigm is breaking because of it.

It's a bit like witnessing the Dot Com bubble burst again tbh.

It's about time we moved on to a better way of doing things anyway, I'm pretty good with moving away from the old ad-based, exploit your community for profit model, personally.

Rabbithole,

That used to be true until they made the insane move of self-hosting all of the images and videos using i.reddit and v.reddit rather than continuing the previous practice of everyone posting all of the media to imgur and youtube, etc.

They just had to own everything themselves, even if it meant giving themselves running costs that would inevitably climb to youtube-like expenses because of all of the media streaming.

Pure madness.

Rabbithole,

We'll I have a bunch now, so it's fixed as far as I can tell. It'd be nice to just have it hidden though tbh, or we'll just get the same karma farming garbage over here that we had on Reddit.

My personal opinion, of course.

Rabbithole,

I have to admit, I do like the two being separated.

"Likes" and votes about relevancy getting mixed up on Reddit was a legitimate problem over there.

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