As the article explains, the study in question is actually kind of weak in terms of providing solid proof that the excess deaths were attributable to COVID-19, but it’s apparently one in a growing number of studies that all have relatively weak “arrows” pointing in the same direction. So, the reason researchers view these studies as evidence that Republican messaging on vaccines is partially to blame is due to the collective body of evidence, not just this paper.
The study does not directly attribute the deaths to covid-19. Instead, excess mortality refers to the overall rate of deaths exceeding what would be expected from historical trends.
The excess death rates between groups could be affected by other factors, such as differences in education, race, ethnicity, underlying conditions and access to health care, said Wallace, an assistant professor at the Yale School of Public Health and the lead author.
“We’re not saying that if you took someone’s political party affiliation and were to change it from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party that they would be more likely to die from covid-19,” Wallace said.
Excess deaths can be anything including say blood clots causing organ damage long after you had covid, because who knows what the long term effects were. So you didn’t die directly because of covid, but can easily be caused by covid (and not counted). That’s kind of why it’s measured. But you can also say excess deaths were from not having random doctors visits and randomly catching issues. So no one is willing to say much. But I think it’s pretty apparent that a disease that cause severe health issues is going to cause more than the direct deaths.
Anecdotallly, we saw a LOT of this. I had a dialysis patient who survived Covid, but their quality of life was so poor they chose to stop dialysis. Another week recovered from Covid and collapsed their first day back to work with new onset cardiac problems. Another who had multiple hospitalizations for hypotension after a Covid episode when they had been stable on their cardiac meds for decades.
None of those get counted as Covid deaths. They're all "excess deaths"
I understand the study’s basic methodology. It doesn’t change my point. And I don’t know that it’s never going to be provable. Maybe with enough data we could find a very subtle pattern that proves it. The point is, this study doesn’t, nor do any of the others on their own, but they collectively provide evidence that the hypothesis may be true.
No, I’m not. Ironically, I think you are. But I’m tired of debating this with people. It says it in the linked article. Debate with the authors of the study if you want to.
Also excess deaths include deaths that likely wouldn’t have happened before COVID, but due to factors like overworked health care staff or shortage of supplies/medical beds because of COVID patients, happened anyway.
In other words, people didn’t just die from COVID, some died from COVID existing.
In my experience litigating medicolegal causation, this is the nature of epidemiology.
Like, the standard isn’t “beyond a reasonable doubt,” in my view, it’s “preponderance of the evidence,” aka “more likely than not.”
More likely than not, the excess deaths were COVID. It’s like when the weather forecasts a 20% chance of rain. Weak, right? No. It’s a 100% chance of rain in 20% of the forecast area.
I'm sorry but it's never fault of the conservatives or their leaders. Despite telling everybody else to take responsibility for their own lives and decisions conservatives have mastered the art of conspiracy so that they always have someone else to blame. In this case it's those evil liberals in the "organized left" using reverse psychology.
It’s not just that. They distrust science and medicine in all things. These are fat, gullible people, in overall poor mental and physical health; exceptions have only skated by on dumb luck. If they didn’t believe the docs on virus prevention, they don’t believe them on obesity and lung disease prevention either. If they didn’t wear masks for COVID, they don’t wear them for spraying paint remover at their jobs.
It’s industrial hygiene and physical and mental hygiene to which they are ignorant, personal hygiene, too. If they didn’t social distance to stop the spread, they dont wash their hands after taking a huge messy shit.
Decent? What makes you say that? If anything, conservative Americans at best would just have similar hygiene to non-conservative Americans. Which means poor. Because yall don’t wash your ass. You wipe it with a rag and don’t use a bidet. Just walking around with brown rings all day. No bidet-free culture has good bathroom hygiene!
What are we supposed to do at work or in public restrooms, use the bidet everyone else uses? No fucking way, let me keep the toilet paper and just shower daily.
It was better at the beginning before they started requiring names and pfp to be covered in posts. Even if it was a celebrity. All the posts were from public social media pages. If someone is enough of a dumbass to broadcast their dangerous stupidity to the world, they they don’t deserve anonymity.
The worst part is it looks suspiciously like a deliberate strategy. They told their base that deliberately not taking precautions “owns the libs”, that you should vote in person on Election Day without a mask. This creates a correlation between voting method and candidate, with mail-in votes being mostly Democratic. Then they simply attacked mail-in votes.
Thankfully it ultimately didn’t work, but they were willing to kill their voters to try it.
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