I agree. I think most people just miss the point that young people tend to move faster the others established. It doesn’t help that people’s views o left v right differ depending on their agendas etc…
I think that the left-right dichotomy is inherently flawed. A lot of what I believe might be considered “right-leaning” or “left-leaning,” but I cannot say that I prescribe to either sort of ideology fully or with any fidelity.
I will always be opposed to any view with a pervasive “moral” authority, and both the so-called left and right are obsessed with their own versions of this. The problem we run into is the false supposition that beliefs can be categorized on a spectrum spanning right to left (or, even more liberally, a spectrum spread across two dimensions). It has been a ridiculous notion from its inception, whenever that might have been.
Building one’s identity (another silly notion, in general—identity itself being a frivolous construct that functions only as a fulcrum for the extortion of social power) upon a supposed spectrum is likewise ridiculous. You can be conservative or liberal, or anything, really. But those beliefs do not exist in a linear or planar dimension. They are so far removed from each other that one cannot fathom sliding incrementally from one to the next.
And to each respective party, “left” and “right,” the other can be demonized as evil, even without full comprehension of the other. It’s all just so damned tribalistic and silly.
It’s completely natural for humans to fall into a binary thinking.
It’s evolutionarily advantageous to fully focus on “the enemy”, whatever that may be, and “the friends”, our own family/tribe, absolutely hating the enemy while absolutely loving your family. It’s what made it most likely that our genes persevere, if you give the enemy the benefit of the doubt, and they backstab you, you’re dead, but not if you just kill them first/don’t trust them at all in any way.
This concept permeates our society and you see it everywhere. It’s always “us” vs “them”. If your ideology “wins” politically, throughout most of human history that means you get to kill your opponent, while if you lose, it means you may die. So it’s naturally almost the worst thing in the world for us if someone disagrees with us politically.
It’s really amazing how almost everything about the way we behave is completely shaped by what made us survive in some form or another thousands of years ago. The only way out so far is trying our hardest to resist our natural programming and apply rationality, which comes with its own set of problems.
I agree with you that Lemmy may be more left-leaning than other social media platforms due to the lack of bot activity. However, I think it’s also important to consider the type of content that is shared and discussed on Lemmy. As a platform focused on creativity and expression, there may be an inherent bias towards progressive or left-leaning ideas and discussions. Additionally, Lemmy’s community guidelines prioritize kindness and respect, which can create a space where voices from marginalized communities feel safe to share their opinions and experiences. Overall, while bot activity certainly plays a role in shaping the political climate of social media platforms, I believe that Lemmy’s unique culture and values also contribute to its overall political orientation.
That being said, I appreciate your comment and am glad to see thoughtful discussion happening on Lemmy! Let’s keep building a supportive and inclusive online community together.
Be good to others - no bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia
As long as these rules are in place and enforced arbitrarily by power tripping mods you’ll only see the woke bubble. Alternate ideas are not allowed. Try talking about any of the taboo subjects and see how quickly the ban hammer falls.
kbin.social is just as bad as reddit ever was. I said that I personally don’t want a transgender transition surgery and they banned me. These are not places where real discussion can happen.
you can be as homophobic and transphobic as you want
Lol see how easily you are triggered? I mentioned nothing about others. I can support trans people to be who they want to be and not desire the same treatment for myself. But all you hear are dog whistles, and that stops all discussion dead. It’s the basis for an echo chamber.
When my personal choices are see as “transphobic” the problem isn’t with me.
No one wants to force you to get surgery. It’s possible you were just misunderstood since announcing you don’t want to transition is a completely random and pointless thing to do. I said that in my comment because you said you wanted the rules about homophobia and transphobia gone
announcing you don’t want to transition is a completely random and pointless thing to do
We celebrate people transitioning, isn’t it a little bigoted to not also celebrate not? I mean accepting who you are on the inside is what this is all supposed to be about, no matter who you are, isn’t it?
you said you wanted the rules about homophobia and transphobia gone
Nope, not what I said. Read it again.
I said they were enforced arbitrarily, by mods who only hear what they want to hear.
I dont think that is the case. Left leaning people are just much less accepting of authority, so there are more likely to move of of reddit. right leaning people also tend to be more conservative, so they are more likely to stay on there old platforms.
There have been many right-wing exodus from reddit over the years. All of them have centered around a perceived “free speech” issue, and they have always flocked to the most promising alternatives (e.g. Voat). Obviously Lemmy with its origins was never seen as particularly appealing for that crowd. This time the issue just happened to touch the left-leaning part more.
Yeah, there’s that one shitty instance pretty much everyone defederated from a week or two ago.
It’s actually one of the oldest instances, over a year old. Because the worst far right trolls that got ip banned from reddit came here when they couldn’t make a new account on reddit.
Knock on wood, but Lemmy’s grown to the point now that it almost completely replaces Reddit for me. The only reason I still stop by Reddit is for more niche fandoms that haven’t taken off here quite yet.
I didn’t follow mask mandates because I was required to or told to by any authority. I did it because it was the right thing to do based on the science, and still is (which is why I still mask up in enclosed or busy spaces).
If you’re old enough to remember when seat belt laws started/became more prevalent, you’ll remember the right-leaning folks were all up in arms because “muh freedom to do what I want if it doesn’t hurt anyone else” not realizing (or not caring about) the effect their choices had on their children. While center/left leaning people were just like “I already wear it because it’s the smart thing to do”.
I don’t use a mask currently, but if transmission levels of the flu or COVID were notably above average in my city I absolutely would wear one indoors. I think with really busy indoor places I’d just find something else entirely. I don’t know how I was ever okay with level of crowd density.
No, it’s just a matter of who they accept as legitimate “authority”.
If the Dumbass-in-Chief, their ministers, and their news had all told them to wear masks, they absolutely would have, but every single one of their primary authority sources were pulling in different directions and they don’t accept any “liberal” sources as legitimate authority. You can see it at a much smaller scale by looking at Church congregation sizes where some ministries focused on trying to protect their elderly and infirm members and those who didn’t.
Conservatives who had pastors who told them to wear masks were a LOT more likely to do so than ones who were getting mixed messaging.
My crazy fundie paternal aunt told me the only reason Trump said to get vaccinated was because he was “forced” to say it, and that she does not believe, to this day, he ever got vaccinated or that he even ever got Covid.
People on the “right” are vastly more accepting of authority than people on the left. For example, the people who didn’t wear masks were willing to die because Tucker (or whichever right-wing shitgoblin they listen to) told them to. It wasn’t some sort of anti-authoritarian expression, it was pure authoritarianism.
If we’re talking about acceptance of authority, right leaning folks are less likely to do so
Right-wingers love authority, especially if it’s the kind they approve of. It’s literally part of the ideology. A lot of them didn’t wear masks because the right-wing grifters (like Tucker) told them not too.
Wearing masks during the pandemic was just smart, common sense and had nothing to do with authority, in spite of the right-wingers trying to make it seem like it was.
I think it’s a different political dimension entirely isn’t it? You have left vs right economics, and then authoritarian vs libertarian governance. I don’t buy into that stupid political compass, but the axes do seem accurate.
I honestly don’t think that’s the case. There’s tons of right leaning and left leaning people that are bots. You can just never know. I think it comes down to the age range using this place and the culture using it. Reactionary people prefer sites like 4chan or the other online communities designed to cater to them. The age comes in because based on research the largest age demographic using Lemmy is between 25 and 35. This site is too underground to attract the middle aged and older cohort that are right wing. It’s also not hip enough to attract the under 20 crowd who make up the bulk of Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro and Tim Pool viewers.
Just a reminder for everyone, not you specifically: Respond once, twice if you absolutely must, to clarify and then you walk away. If you’re explaining over and over, everyone is losing.
/r/politics is just DNC lib screeching and astroturfing. Nothing leftist about it. At least not since Sanders lost the primaries in 2016. That was the first major shift there.
Do you think that’s relevant? I don’t see anything about either reddit or lemmy that makes it harder for right-wingers to join. I can tell you that America does not have a monopoly on the alt-right (AfD, Brexit, etc)
I’m keen to learn more if you’ve seen evidence in this topic. I wouldn’t know how to investigate, tbh.
Umm. Do you mean Tencent? They have a minority holding. The idea that China actively controls reddit is hard to reconcile with the amount of content that is critical of China. Or let me know what you mean, if not that.
has censorship from a party
What censorship, what party? Do you mean t_d being shut down? Because a better explanation of that would be that the majority of civilised people finally had enough of the nasty chumps in that hole, and good riddance to them. Or let me know what you mean, if not that.
If the platform owners are driving discussions by manipulating feeds (Facebook) or running bots to make the platform look popular (Reddit), the right-wing presence on those platforms might not be as real as we believe.
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