hakunawazo,

Where is the water splash gun?

Ibaudia,
@Ibaudia@lemmy.world avatar

Wouldn’t the water also insulate heat inside the cabin?

ILikeBoobies,

Yes water cooling works because water conducts heat better than air

ThatWeirdGuy1001,
@ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world avatar

Idk enough about physics to argue in good faith but I feel like that’s not right…

I thought it was because water was good at cooling because it dissipates the excess energy ridiculously quickly.

Maybe that’s the same thing idk I just fuckin woke up 🤷‍♂️

ILikeBoobies, (edited )

Heat sink heats the water which then moves to the fans

The cool water takes it’s place to absorb more heat

In air cooling you’re hoping for passing air to cool off the heatsink

Furbag,

If we were playing War Thunder, this would be “CREW KNOCKED OUT” just waiting to happen.

Mikufan,

Nope.

yokonzo,

That water would boil real fast

Mikufan,

Why?

yokonzo,

Typically when you hit things with shells, Even if the they don’t explode, the kinetic energy would transfer into the hull, then the water. Now imagine getting fired on 4 or 5 times, or by a bunch of small arms fire, or a land mine, all in the baking desert sun. That would be a soup pot

Flax_vert,

Put the operator into a fridge

yokonzo,

I mean aquarium chillers do exist, but at that point you’ve got another id imagine 300 pounds to add to the tank that would increase the profile and add just another system that could be shot off

Flax_vert,

Just make it invisible

nuke,

Dump in a bag of ice from the gas station. Problem solved

sugar_in_your_tea,

Make it two, just in case.

Mikufan,

Why would it?

dvoraqs,

I bet it’s because there would be a lot of heat, especially when the tank’s engines need to be more powerful to move all of the added weight.

Mikufan,

1m³ of water is 1 metric ton, a normal tank would fit 3m³ to 5m³ given the fact that a normal modern tank is about 70 metric tons by itself i doubt it would greatly effect the engine. And water can be cooled as well.

dvoraqs,

I think you’re discounting the heat already being generated even without the water. Water is a good conductor of heat, so if there are any hotspots the crew normally just stays away from, that would spread everywhere, including to the crew. The heat would also accumulate since the rest of the tank would be acting as an insulator except on the outside surfaces.

Mikufan,

You know that air is harder to cool than water?

sugar_in_your_tea,

It’s also harder to heat. That’s what heat conductivity means…

Mikufan,

Wich is why the motor wastes a lot of energy on cooling itself… Why do you think there is water cooling for electronic?

Air bein a isolator is a bad thing.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yeah, and I’m guessing most people would prefer that energy be vented through the metal chassis into the air, not into the water they’re working in. Heat takes the path of least resistance, and if lower the resistance to entering your body, it’ll do that.

Mikufan,

Its not vented it’s necessary to keep a constant very strong airflow to keep the engine from burning. And heat moves up in both air and water, its not electricity that goes after resistance to find a path. And as said, you can cool the water, more easily than with air even.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Yes, you can cool water for the exact same reason that it heats up really fast.

And yes, it kind of is like electricity, in fact, good conductors of electricity are generally good conductors of heat. Electrical conduction happens through transfer of electrons, so atoms that can easily gain/lose electrons conduct electricity really well. Heat conduction happens through kinetic energy transfer, and and free electrons can transfer that energy to adjacent atoms by moving between them (like they do with electrical energy). It’s a very similar mechanism.

Water is a much better conductor of heat than air because it’s much more dense. So if you have a metal tank full of water, the heat is much more likely to be conducted through the water inside the tank than the air outside the tank. That’s why water cooling is so effective, it sucks the heat away from the hot component, transports it to a radiator, which then spreads out the water (dramatically increasing surface area) to maximize the effectiveness of transferring that energy to the air (more opportunities for the cooler air to collide with the warmer water molecules).

Mikufan,

I think you might have a reading comprehension problem man.

Last words to that, hot stuff expands and gets lighter per 1cm³ so hot water flows on top all the time, heat always moves upwards rather than down. Electricity travels very differently than heat does, heat is atom speed and electricity is electrons jumping

Relevant links:

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_transfer

sugar_in_your_tea,

heat always moves upwards rather than down

That’s just not true. Heat moves along the path of least resistance, not “up,” “up” just happens to generally be less resistance than “down” due to density differences in air.

heat is atom speed and electricity is electrons jumping

From your second link:

In other words, heat is transferred by conduction when adjacent atoms vibrate against one another, or as electrons move from one atom to another.

Density matters. Free electrons matter. But in short, metal and water conduct heat better than air, which means the heat transferred is more likely to go into the water than into the air. Certain metals conduct heat better than other metals, largely due to electrical conductivity.

someguy7734206,

This hearkens to the reason they’re called tanks in the first place.

TotalFat,

Use gasoline instead of water. Then you can eliminate the fuel tank. Side bonus would be protection from microbes for the crew. The government should also expect a reduction in pension and social security costs.

sugar_in_your_tea,

Slight increase in life insurance payouts though.

Kedly,

I know this is non credible defense, but I would absolutely LOVE a breakdown of all the ways this is a terrible idea

bradorsomething,

In the desert, bees swarm water.

perviouslyiner,

Water isn’t clean enough to make a cup of tea with

homesnatch,

After a while, the water inside the tank is human tea.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In,
FiniteBanjo,

It might unironically be a good idea except for the increased weight. Also shockwaves from impacts.

LwL,

My first thought is the crew would be cooked alive

PlexSheep,

Yeah I thought so too. Besides that, Oxygen running out would be a problem, and perhaps reliability of diving equipment.

And every operator would need a full one diving suit too, increasing production and maintenance cost.

Perhaps the tank would rust?

More fuel needed.

Electronics would need to be waterproof, otherwise they short circuit, breaking and perhaps harmin the crew.

Wizard_Pope,
@Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world avatar

I mean the first issue seems easy to solve just put a tube to the outside for all crewmembers and you never run out of oxygen

swab148,
@swab148@startrek.website avatar

First rule: don’t put your dick in the air tube

Kedly,

This was the comment I was looking for! Thank you!

bitfucker,

Diving suit… Neon Genesis?

CheeseNoodle,

Yeh the shockwaves would just transition perfectly into the crews bodies and turn them into paste.

Hylactor,

The first issue that comes to mind is the noncompressible nature of water. If you’ve ever played in a pool and marveled at how clearly you can hear a digital watch beep all the way from the other end, you can scale this up for any pressure wave. With very unpleasant results.

Buddahriffic,

Oooh, I see what you’re saying! Yeah, that makes total sense.

… But couldn’t they just adjust the volume of the heavy metal music all tanks are required to play be the Geneva convention so that full blast isn’t loud enough to cause hearing damage?

sugar_in_your_tea,

IDK, does the Geneva convention cover the adjustment to pitch so the heavy metal can be faithful to the original while distorted? Source: Harry Potter and that Goblet of Fire.

Buddahriffic,

I don’t think they accounted for any of the consequences of filling a tank with water. It’s a really outdated set of rules. Like it doesn’t even have special allowances for civilian casualties when Hamas is suspected of hiding in their clothing, which is clearly anti-Semitic. It doesn’t even say it’s ok to kill some civilians if their side embarrassed you by sinking your flagship when they have no navy.

supercriticalcheese,

Let me introduce you to Mr Newton. Specifically:

F = m*a

To accelerate on a flat terrain (nevermind a slope) you need to apply tractive force proportional to your mass. Water does add a lot of mass.

recklessengagement,

Any shockwave from firing a shell/active armor/taking a hit would reverberate through the cabin and crush the occupants, not dissimilar to what a grenade does to anyone nearby in a body of water

JackbyDev,

Yeah, I remember when Myth Busters tested “shooting fish in a barrel” they found that even if your bullet doesn’t hit a fish that the shockwave will kill them all lol.

Zehzin,
@Zehzin@lemmy.world avatar

Explosions will fuck you up harder underwater though won’t they? Or is that when the explosion happens underwater? I feel like there was a MythBusters episode on this

Obi,
@Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

Yep!

KillingTimeItself,

armor cookoff is one of the bastardized terms of all time.

Rozz,

Who doesn’t love a good cookoff

KillingTimeItself,

cookoffs are quite a good one, but i’m trying to figure out how the armor is supposed to cookoff.

Unless it’s ERA or something? In which case, that wouldn’t be changed with the water being inside of the tank now.

neidu2,

If out of supplies, the tactical emotional support fish can be eaten as well

Ceedoestrees,

And why don’t we do this?

kalpol,

Hydrostatic shock is a serious problem

Ceedoestrees,

Let the emotional support fish handle it.

KillingTimeItself,

shits heavy as fuck, water would be nasty as fuck, and none of the electronics inside would work for shit.

Plus also it would get uncomfortable for long operating hours.

bradorsomething,

Submarines have electronics, and they’re literally surrounded by water.

Ceedoestrees,

Water, which is super conductive. Electricity likes the water.

KillingTimeItself,

the wet tank is an inverse submarine though. In this case it’s more akin with a wet sub, though those are also submersed in water, not just surrounded by it, or filled with it.

Ceedoestrees,

Reverse submarine don’t care about the haters.

KillingTimeItself,

the submarine might not, the crew probably would.

Ceedoestrees,

Put the crew in smaller tanks in the tank’s water tank.

KillingTimeItself,

now we’re thinking, inverse pools inside of the inverse tank.

psmgx,

Wouldn’t hydrostatic shock be a serious problem?

bradorsomething,

Only briefly.

BraveLittleToaster,

You can’t get shocked because tanks are grounded

HappycamperNZ,

Would it still if you had an air bubble, or flexible internal walls?

mkwt,

I think that’s what I said the last time this one came around.

Mikufan,

Not really, there is a pop-up valve on top and there is compressable air inside as well.

KillingTimeItself,

only if you’re dropping explosives inside the tank :)

DaCrazyJamez, (edited )

Any explosion even NEAR that thing would kill the entire crew…

Edit: pressure waves in water. Its why depth charges sink submarines if they get anywhere close.

Mikufan,

Nope

BraveLittleToaster,

They’re protected by the tank silly

Kraiden,

you had me at "emotional support fish"

mojofrododojo,

I lost it at ‘buoyancy makes shells easier to move around’

scutiger,

I think the shells not being buoyant would actuallyvmake them much harder to move.

mojofrododojo,

that’s where the humor is located to me. I’ve seen guys handle tank and artillery shells, shit is heavy as fuck, solid metal and HE. ain’t none of it buoyant lol

Phoenix3875,
  • They can eat the fish
Mikufan,

No they can’t, that would be emotionally devastating.

halvar, (edited )

should have written “can piss while operating tank” at the end

Vilian,

who said that you can’t on a regular tank?

neidu2,

Pussies and prudes

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