My greatest wish for this election season is that everyone would just vote for Taylor Swift. I personally don’t care much for her music, but she has a lot of popularity right now and I think she would do a better job than anyone else currently running. The biggest plus is it would be someone under 60! I realize this is all fantasy, but someone brought this up in the comments of a post about her urging people to vote and I can’t stop thinking about it.
Lotta people trash talking Washington but I don’t think ever actually read anything about him or read anything of substance he’s written.
But as it is easy to foresee that, from different causes and from different quarters, much pains will be taken, many artifices employed to weaken in your minds the conviction of this truth; as this is the point in your political fortress against which the batteries of internal and external enemies will be most constantly and actively (though often covertly and insidiously) directed, it is of infinite moment that you should properly estimate the immense value of your national union to your collective and individual happiness; that you should cherish a cordial, habitual, and immovable attachment to it; accustoming yourselves to think and speak of it as of the palladium of your political safety and prosperity; watching for its preservation with jealous anxiety; discountenancing whatever may suggest even a suspicion that it can in any event be abandoned; and indignantly frowning upon the first dawning of every attempt to alienate any portion of our country from the rest, or to enfeeble the sacred ties which now link together the various parts.
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In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations, Northern and Southern, Atlantic and Western; whence designing men may endeavor to excite a belief that there is a real difference of local interests and views. One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts. You cannot shield yourselves too much against the jealousies and heartburnings which spring from these misrepresentations; they tend to render alien to each other those who ought to be bound together by fraternal affection.
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However combinations or associations of the above description may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.
And probably the most relatable to today:
I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.
Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight), the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.
Y’all should read his farewell speech. It’s like he was a time traveler, and why this meme says “I told you so”.
The real dumb thing about Washington was that he foresaw the danger of parties (not that hard, considering England had had parties for over a century by then) but thought just warning people not to do it would suffice to stop their formation.
What can you realistically do to stop the formation of parties without trampling on other rights? Cooperation and organization are effective means of gaining power so parties were always going to form.
Reforming campaign finance rules and abandoning first-past-the-post voting is more a long the lines of what I would do to make elections more democratic, rather than try to ban parties.
Yeah I agree with this. There are always going to be parties, as long as different classes in society have different interests. Better to make them more representative than try to do away with them.
Washington is a broken clock right twice a day, tbh. That guy owned half the slaves in Mount Vernon. He didn’t have any idea how to fix society, modern middle schoolers could debate him and win.
Yeah but unlike Washington I can blame all of my wanton aggression and apathy on lead and plastic pollution. Checkmate, futurepeople, you’re held to the logical moral standards of understanding the outcomes of complex nuances of (currently) modern systems of society! Eat my shorts!
Not so, my literal friend. The post was about the literal concept of the two party system being the reason for the current malaise, which can be literally disproven by the fact that its absence does not guarantee a different outcome.
The Bull Moose party was closest we’ve had to an actual 3rd party. That was only because Teddy Roosevelt was running it and he was a previous president.
I assume it is possible with the modern day ability to communicate and organize. Getting a 3rd name on every state ballot will take some ground work. It might be easier, but we would need someone to get behind. Like a REAL leader and not a “pop culture icon.” I vote to get that Shawn Fain guy. He is kicking ass in the auto union, so I think he would fight for the working class all around.
Oh I 100% agree about the man. Teddy was a big push of progressive policies and he was a great president. We almost never had him as president because the robber barons (JP Morgan, Carnegie, and Rockafeller) used their money to put him as a VP to McKinley. McKinely was bought and paid for by them and the VP position was a place to put people to end their political career. Then the assassination happened and Teddy came in with all these trust busting ideas.
Also, Teddy first came into the political stage as a rich, fancy dressed guy. He did a PR campaign to change his image to this man’s man. Then after those photos of him in furs and an expensive hunting knife, he joined the military and did the whole rough riders thing. He became the image he portrayed and came back to NY better from it. He became a popular Governor and that’s when the robber barons got worried and wanted to stop his momentum.
T.R. was tough before he joined the war, when he came back a hero he proved it to everyone else. He’s absolutely my favorite president and a fascinating man
There’s a Pulitzer-winning biography of his I’d recommend
It entirely depends on what you mean. We’ve had a functioning libertarian party for a while, they’ve gotten far enough to get on the ballots in a couple presidential races and libertarian candidates have won local elections. We’ve had fairly strong socialist parties before the red scare era.
Now the libertarians kind of sucks shit, so maybe they’re a bad barometer to go off of? Maybe a super populist party would take off in a decade or two, maybe it would just flounder with the same success of the libertarian party. Part of the problem is that political opinions in the US are largely formed around binaries associated with either party, so while a new party might form, it would probably get chucked into a “left” or “right” bucket and flounder in obscurity like the green party.
We have to work together to reform voting. FPTP is bullshit and the two big parties have it locked down. Libertarians and Greens have to sue states every election to get them to follow the rules.
Political parties in general. The problems specific to a two-party systems weren’t understood yet. Being that the United States was figuring out how a modern democracy should work as it went, that’s not surprising.
To be fair, the two party system was a natural evolution within the government structure created by the Founding Fathers. Whether or not any individual president was a fan or not would never have prevented it.
Yeah, but they didn’t have game theory then. Democracy was kind of new too. Basically all non-monarchists were allies, because they literally had to fight actual kings to rule themselves.
It’s not the founders’ fault that they didn’t foresee all future problems. They included the ability to amend the Constitution. It’s our fault for not doing that. Originalism makes no sense because the founders wanted us to change what they had done and improve it.
It’s not the founders’ fault that they didn’t foresee all future problems. They included the ability to amend the Constitution. It’s our fault for not doing that. Originalism makes no sense because the founders wanted us to change what they had done and improve it.
The Founding Fathers: “We’re not gods or kings. That’s literally the opposite of what we fought for.”
Originalists: “OMG God-King Founding Daddies pls rule me from beyond the grave”
A lot also said every 20 years the Constitution needed rewritten, because expecting such a powerful document to remain relevant over such a long period of time was unthinkable to them…
Iirc, №10 of the Federalist papers is specifically about how an overly strong federal government would lead to a 2 faction system, suggesting that the smaller states could more easily maintain multi-faction representative groups. But over the centuries, the federal government has become more proportionally powerful, which is a fact I’m sure all the non-monarchists would be horrified by.
The Founding Fathers created the State in a manner that supported their interests, hence why it structurally supported wealthy Capitalists and slave owning white men most of all.
Over time, this has been amended, Black Americans were emancipated and every citizen can vote now, including women, but only via constant struggle against the system.
That doesn’t relate to my comment or the original post. It’s like you’re trying to shoehorn in your own ideas about class war into the conversation.
In return, I would like to add add that George Washington did not have wooden teeth. In fact, he had weird Frankenstein dentures made up of a bunch of other different teeth. This supports my pro dental care ideas.
It absolutely relates. The two party system is a symptom of designing a system to bend but never break, and retain control of the people who made the system.
Believe it or not, human history is the history of class struggle. It isn’t at all unrelated to how wealthy Capitalists designed a state to retain their power.
referring to FPTP voting not the act of voting at all.
Also, he was a slave owner and personally marched against dissatisfied working class americans when they balked at new liquor taxes. He might have been elected but he had some pretty authoritarian streaks in him.
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