If they want to move r/rust to Lemmy, then just pick an instance and move, or start your own instance if none of the existing comms matches their needs, instead of all of these excuses.
Again, it’s really hard to get this through people’s head, but Lemmy is not a reddit clone, every instance is an independent forum each with their own different policies and moderation. If you don’t like the comm of one instance, you can easily move to a different comm on another instance with the same topic.
For different comm on the same topic to follow each other would honestly be a moderation nightmare, which is why I’m only supportive of user level community grouping (which would be more along the line of having multiple subscribed tabs. )
There's still a lot of people who will always stick to Reddit as well (as evidenced by a good amount of hostility in the comment section of the Reddit discussion on /r/rust).
Can you elaborate on why a community following another would be a moderation nightmare? It would be up to the moderators of a specific community to follow the other communities, if it became a problem, they could simply unfollow.
Sure. It boils down to “should I have the ability to moderate posts on a followed comm”. In the event of a rule conflict (removal, pin thread, etc) , which mod team gets to make the decision about which set of rules to follow? If you say “it’s up to each mod team to decide.”, then that would really be no different than crossposting which already exists in Lemmy, and each comm will then have different content anyways.
Let me put it this way, using a reddit analogy: do you think it would be a useful feature for r/gaming to follow r/games and r/truegaming on a subreddit level to centralize all gaming content on reddit?
It would up to the moderators of the community doing the following to follow communities that abide by the same rules. If a post on the followed community broke a rule, I think it is obvious that the instance following them should have zero say over what is done. If they disagree with the moderation of another community, then they shouldn’t be following it.
I do think in many cases this would be useful on reddit as well. I assume r/truegaming was made to separate themselves from r/gaming, but I don’t see why it wouldn’t make since for r/gaming to follow r/games and vice versa, unless of course they have differing rules.
I believe you can moderate a community on/from another instance, so it would be logical if, when agreeing to mutually follow each other, they also agreed to add mods from the reciprocating community?
The Reddit example could have worked the same, but the sub due to scale the equation is different and the benefit of the increased community size is less and the Reddit mods would likely see little benefit Vs the dilution of mod status.
Linkblocks definitely sounds interesting. I’ve never gotten into social bookmarking (keeping bookmarks on another site/platform…?), but I can see the draw for building knowledge-bases this way.
Very cool. I took a deep but cursory dive through your netizen and weird web entries as well. I like the way you bridge low end, or practical use cases with fairly high concept approaches. I’ll definitely be taking a closer look at your writing.
You can’t trust any of the ‘mega-corp’ so these donations will have handcuffs.
One thing not said explicitly is that the Fediverse needs a funding model and I believe it will die without one.
I know people are down voting this because of what you suggested. But I don’t think we should be afraid of taking about money and funding it. The Fediverse is not free to run, or develop, so without money coming in, it’s going to die. We shouldn’t he afraid to talk about any options of funding. Even a conversation like this, where a lot of people are against it, can lead to other ideas that are more palpable.
Funnily enough, a couple posts above I saw this and was wondering when the next infinitely naive take about meta will roll in and see! We have it.
We dont deal with the devil. Not before, not now, not in the future. We dont want corporate shitholes to infest our space and no amount of sugarcoating will change that.
Meta can run a vanilla mastodon instance if they really want us to take them in, provide upstream issues and prs and become a valuable member of our space.
For those thinging „yeah, if they promised, in writing, that they will never EEE or push ads or push their values onto us“. That is impossible (because they dwarf us and their right to defederate from any instance makes them all powerful) and even if it weren’t they would try and find ways around it because of fucking shareholder primacy. Do you want shareholder primacy in the fediverse where we have stakeholder primacy by definition? Think about it.
I appreciate your perspective but will have to respectfully disagree.
My position has evolved as I’ve spent more time as a user in the fediverse and federated protocols such as ActivityPub. The fediverse needs to stay purpose-driven, and not profit-driven. I just don’t see how a for-profit entity can be good stewards of the protocol, their priorities cannot begin or end with anything but return on investment. Even if they were to provide some seed money to other fediverse projects. If their users never migrate to not-for-profit providers, if they never fully federate the other direction, if they fork AP instead of sticking to spec; have we gained anything by federating with them?
Sure seems like by federating with Meta, we just are allowing them to co-opt AP as their version of Bluesky’s ATProto. Those of us on AP that aren’t on threads just become the “data privacy zealots” that aren’t @threads.net and are fenced off from the rest of the network by default. Not unlike the people running their own PDS on bluesky. Federated but not decentralized, isn’t the mission of the fediverse IMO.
But this still begs the opposite question, have we gained anything by de-federating with threads? I sure hope my ideals of a not-for-profit social web, are not as pie-in-the-sky as they seem.
I’ve thought quite a bit about corporate funding of the fediverse. The only possibility good way that I currently see is if there’s a not-for-profit acting as a middle man to dispense the funds. And that not-for-profit can’t voice opinions on how the fediverse is developed. Even this is wishful thinking.
I’ve actually given thought to creating this non-for-profit but I don’t really know how to get started or get attention for significant donations.
I like the enthusiasm expressed in the blog post, and agree that groups coming to Mastodon might be a really good thing for the fediverse and open-source in general.
I’m a bit concerned about “the twitter effect”, where cynicism and toxicity are rewarded by the algorithm. This is perhaps less of a problem on the fediverse, since there’s no corporate interests fanning the flames, but I’ve definitely seen similar dynamics play out on Lemmy as well. Tribal dynamics and echo chambers create some really toxic behavioral patterns.
In any case, I hope r/rust devs can contribute to the fediverse, and Lemmy’s codebase and community to make it the kind of place we’ve all desperately needed for so long!
I think I like it but for the idiots like me, the plan is to have “groups” around the fediverse that equate to sublemmys, and Mastodon users can post with them or not, but if they do it essentially creates a sublemmy that Lemmy users can also interact with.
And on Mastodon the benefit would be that you could subscribe to topics instead of users?
I hate that I saw the word “threadiverse”, knew exactly what it meant, and was still like " ugh frakkin’ kids today gotta have a word for everything… "
Getting old sucks. I don’t recommend it, but I also can’t think of a better alternative.
As I was reading the blog post, I asked myself why a soft fork would be necessary and I’m glad to see they came to the same conclusion by the end.
This is the first I’ve seen of the community following communities idea as a solution to the separation of similar discussions among multiple instances, and I love it. This combined with the personal user curated multi-reddit ideas and we’re golden. I wish I knew Rust so I could help make it come to fruition.
They should make their own instance if they can. The devs cited Star Trek.website as the model for communities like fandoms. It is also cleaner as the instance can make several subs which have different rules and content.
The problem is that it requires money, either by the admins or through donations.
Just because one is open doesn’t mean it should be used.
I also think that, compared to Reddit, there should be a more collaborative relationship between the mods and the admins because mods can choose their admins.
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