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n2burns, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

I’m not sure if it’s really worth considering an article from the Toronto Sun, citing “people on social media”. Especially when it quotes stuff like:

“Welcome to Canada, home to everyone but Canadians.”

A large portion of people receiving those benefits are literally new citizens, and while “newcomers” might not be “Canadians” by everyone’s definition, they are at very least “prospective Canadians”. Also, as the article points out at the end, Parks Canada has been providing free access to more and more Canadians including Veterans, youth, and those with disabilities.

Poutinetown,

If you go on social media and ask why Canada cares about disabled and veterans, it’s not gonna go well. But the “darn immigrants” is a popular trope and people will get behind you

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

Any time you read an article or headline that intentionally wants to incite either … FEAR, ANGER, HATE

It’s a sure sign it’s not good journalism or public information … it’s just plain old propaganda

NarrativeBear,

Absolutely, a welcome package for a new Canadian is not something we as Canadians should be angered about.

You don’t freak out when the new person that just joined your office you been working at got a new pen, and maybe a shinny new stapler?

What we really should be angered aboot, and ashamed of as Canadians, is that its actually cheeper for us to go on vacation to Europe for 2-3weeks instead of being able to visit parts of Canada. A train ride to Vancouver is just as expensive as a plane flight if not more, and if you want to go to any of the northern parts you will need a car. Not to mention the price of accommodations such as a hotel or airbnd.

There should be more trains that take you to national and maybe even provincial parks and surrounding towns.

xmunk, to canada in EDITORIAL: Rising anti-Semitism in Canada a disgrace

Sigh

Recognizing the enormity of the issue, Canada’s House of Commons in February 2016 passed a motion, by an overwhelming margin of 229-51, specifically condemning the BDS movement for its “demonization and delegitimization of the State of Israel.”

BDS isn’t fucking antisemitic, looping it in with legitimately antisemitic shit is truly a disgrace because you’re making it harder to call out real antisemitism.

Fitik,

Have you even read the article?

Since then — in Canada — shots have been fired at Jewish schools, a synagogue and community centre firebombed, Swastikas painted on Jewish homes, Jewish university students and faculty intimidated and threatened, Jewish businesses vandalized, and their customers surrounded by angry demonstrators.

xmunk,

Yea, that shits serious, and we need to deal with it… but can we stop painting criticism of Isreal and BDS as antisemitic? You can have legitimate concerns with Israeli foreign and internal policy without being antisemitic.

Fitik,

That's not the point of the article even if I myself think BDS is antisemitic

https://www.ngo-monitor.org/key-issues/bds/bds-and-antisemitism

https://www.ajc.org/news/bds-is-antisemitic

It doesn't call for 67-borders two state solution, it calls for destruction of the Israel

But like I said, it's not even the point of the article, and it's just states the fact of how the Canada's house of representatives voted, read the rest of article

xmunk,

Here’s the problem. It isn’t antisemitic, it’s anti-Nethanyahu.

I’m happy to debate the merits of BDS (personally, I think it’s extremely ineffective) but this article that rightfully calls out legitimate antisemitism shouldn’t even mention BDS.

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

People only read what they want to see. Which is why every comment here conveniently is skipping over the massive rise in hate crimes that Jews are facing.

Fitik,

Yep, that's sad, this reply literally got more upvotes then my original post
It's sad that people either continue to ignore the problem of antisemitism or blame Israel for it(And not antisemites)

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

As a Jew I’m used to people finding excuses for making us “less-than”. We must at all times show everyone how we denounce civilian deaths because to everyone, we’re a singular monolith without capacity for original thought and opinion. Otherwise it’s assumed we’re monsters who support civilian casualties.

But don’t talk about the extreme rise of hate crimes against Jews in Canada. Somehow, we deserve it.

This place is no more progressive than Reddit.

Fitik,

I know, I am Israeli Jew and don't support or like civilians dying too, as well as majority of people I know.

Sadly, this hate only proves how real horseshoe theory further more to me.

PerogiBoi,
@PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca avatar

Reactionaries going to reactionary 😩

m0darn, to canadaguns in LILLEY: Trudeau Liberals brag of record on gun crime as shootings rise

Kinda strange to focus on Toronto when criticizing the federal liberals, but it’s the TORONTO Sun so I guess that’s fair…

What’s missing is a suggestion of actions for federal leaders to actually address the problem you’re complaining about.

There should be a way for good citizens to buy handguns. I don’t think it has a big impact on gun crime in Canada. But I also don’t think amplifying sentencing guidelines does a lot to percent gun crime. I think the best way to reduce crime is to create systems that make people less desperate.

psvrh, to canada in GOLDSTEIN: Canadians’ standard of living is on decline, report says
@psvrh@lemmy.ca avatar

I wasn’t aware that my standard of living was measured by the wealth I can produce for the nation, but I suppose that’s how the right-wing views everyone not of the ruling class: as a resource to be strip-mined.

SamuelRJankis, to canada in GOLDSTEIN: Canadians’ standard of living is on decline, report says

The report that is not linked in the article, to be clear the entire thing is just based off of GDP:

fraserinstitute.org/…/changes-in-per-person-GDP-I…


Probably the most interesting chart out of the entire thing: https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/5be97d4a-0894-4fa8-b99c-7d1bdcaeb03b.png

I feel this paints Mulroney(1984-1993) way worse than Trudeau. https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/8cc80c89-4d79-4189-9630-5b3712234104.png

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Because he was.

SamuelRJankis,

The chart also doesn’t look to hot for the guy running things in 2008 and part of 2015. Whomever that may be…

girlfreddy, to canada in GOLDSTEIN: Canadians’ standard of living is on decline, report says
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

The report is from the Frasier Institute, a right-of-centre libertarian organization.

I’ll take the study with a grain of salt.

Kichae,

The right-wing propaganda machine is spinning up in a big way as the next election nears. There’s blood in the water, and they want to kill hair-boy once and for all.

Nouveau_Burnswick,

So do I.

We deserve NPD governance.

corsicanguppy,

We can’t get direct NDP governance.

We can get INdirect NDP governance. Give us a minority again and let them run the red puppet some more. Focus on healthcare and rank-choice.

Nouveau_Burnswick,

We can get NPD governance the minute we stop believing we can’t get NPD governance.

Rentlar, to canada in LILLEY: Job growth in Canada led by increase in public sector workers

Lilley? TorSun? I ain’t reading it. Sorry.

johnefrancis, to canada in LILLEY: Job growth in Canada led by increase in public sector workers

Brian Lilley can fuck off. 6 pages of text for a a veiled anti-immigrant attack.

Far from his worst too.

Mongostein, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

When I was a new citizen (a baby) I had free access to the parks, so whatever.

dimeslime, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

I’ve got this, it’s in the canoo app. It’s for one year and not forever. Permanent residents and new citizens get access to this. I haven’t been able to use this particular benefit.

Rentlar, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

Toronto Sun conservative rag with a BlogTO style of article citing random online commentors! You’ve got a masterpiece on outrage journalism, right there!

Park admission is ridiculously cheap compared to any activity. You’re going to be spending much more in the gas getting there and the food you eat. What are these online commentors on about?

I get that conservatives don’t like sharing anything but hate, but we have such a vast bounty of nature with plenty to go around. Let new Canadians enjoy it and be proud for all of us.

BlameThePeacock, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

I’m Canadian, I don’t think I’ve ever paid to go to a park… Though I’ve only been to two national parks they were both free.

This must be only for the famous tourist parks.

Plenty of natural beauty for those of us that love here for free.

HikingVet,

I know Citadel Hill in Halifax and the Fortress of Louisbourg have entrance fees but they also have reenactment there. Citadel Hill only charges during tourist season. Not sure if Louisbourg charges year round or not. I suspect that the fees are tied to how many staff and how much maintenance or other extras are present.

bane_killgrind,

You just pay for parking it's like 8$ for the day.

NarrativeBear, (edited ) to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

Fyi, my fiancée became a Canadian resident a few years back. When you become a new resident Canada gives you a welcome package, in this package you get a one year voucher for free visits to any national park (ie, not provincial parks).

So the closest national park to us is like 6-7 hours away. We do the drive and have no way to use this voucher, even in the one year window. To add (if I remember correctly) it was also only a voucher for a day visit, so parking…

I have a feeling like 90% of these voucher do not get used.

It reminded me of the time a handful of years ago VIA Rail did a promotion for anyone under 18-19. You would received a voucher to travel VIA rail from one side of Canada to the other. I don’t remember the specifics but it was only for the train ride with unlimited stops 2-ways.

vaccinationviablowdart,

Only German immigrants use them.

NarrativeBear,

You mean German Canadians.

Though they would also need to be financially sound at the time they became a full on citizen, own a car (to make us of the day pass free parking), and be able to take the time off, to actually go see these parks.

Remembering the voucher kicks in on the day of becoming a citizen and then expires exactly in exactly 1 year.

I guarantee you if someone becomes a citizen in their teens and originally immigrated on their own with no family (which happens), they would more then likely not benefit from this, and probably not even have the means to see these parks in that one year window, and make use of the free day pass voucher for free parking…

ininewcrow,
@ininewcrow@lemmy.ca avatar

That’s the funny part … of all the born and bred Canadians within Canada … how many have actually gone out to visit a National Park (either paid for or for free).

I was born and raised in northern Ontario, I’m Indigenous and I’ve been to lots of wilderness sites in the north on James Bay and Hudson Bay … but I’ve never been to a National Park that I know of.

n2burns,

It reminded me of the time a handful of years ago VIA Rail did a promotion for anyone under 18-19. You would received a voucher to travel VIA rail from one side of Canada to the other. I don’t remember the specifics but it was only for the train ride with unlimited stops 2-ways.

You’re probably thinking of the Canada 150 Youth Pass.

NarrativeBear,

That’s the one, thanks for finding a link.

Seems like it was 12-25 years of age and 150$ for a month of unlimited travel. It was a good deal but only available for 1 month, and i was already to old :'(

Would of been nice to use the pass and only sleep on the train as opposed to finding hotels.

brenticus, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

Man I can’t believe we’re giving newcomers easier access to the truly wonderful and remarkable parts of our nation, thus giving them something to actually love about Canada. How horrible.

FireRetardant,

But it is really fair that other canadians should be expected to pay?

bighatchester,

It’s just a free trial for new people . Like getting the first month free on a streaming service except it’s for a year . If they like it they will have to start paying eventually. Also if it’s like the ones near where I live anyone can go without paying you will just get a little notice on your car saying you should be to keep the parks funded

bane_killgrind,

AFAIK babies also receive this free

Kichae,

Everyone up to the age of 17, I believe.

bane_killgrind,

Teenagers get a decade and a half of free shit? How dare they they aren't even paying taxes

ivanafterall,
ivanafterall avatar

🙄

vaccinationviablowdart,

Yes.

NarrativeBear,

For parking…

Kichae,

They’ve been living here for years, contributing to our communities and paying taxes while not receiving the benefits of citizenship. Then they’ve had to study for and take a test, and swear and oath to a foreign monarch that natural born citizens have never been subjected to.

Giving them a park pass they’re probably not going to use isn’t hurting you any.

FireRetardant,

It is not hurting me but as a young canadian facing insane inflation and record home prices, i could benefit from a free hike in the woods too.

bane_killgrind,

You had it free for 17 years apparently

Kichae,

While it’s true that everyone should have access to the national parks, you have to understand that raising that issue in the current context works to amplify the “fuck immigrants” messaging of the Sun. So, yeah, you should go take a hike in the woods.

NarrativeBear,

Day pass admission is 10-11$ for adults

Yearly passes cost around 135$

If you have 7 people in a car you can use that yearly pass for your group of 7.

Kids under 18 are free by default.

investorsexchange,
@investorsexchange@lemmy.ca avatar

And it was free for everyone in 2020.

LotzaSpaghetti,
@LotzaSpaghetti@sh.itjust.works avatar

Hikes are free. Camping and parking is not.

corsicanguppy, (edited )

Psst. We’re all facing inflation and high house prices. It’s no excuse to not be nice to people experiencing all that and had no citizenship.

If trivial generosity with little actual impact to you is a challenge, is Canada Right for you?

brenticus,

Yep.

If there is one part of Canadian culture that can be said to be consistent across geographic and ideological lines, it’s a connection to the land and the natural world. Our country is practically built on trekking through forests and canoeing down rivers. A national park pass is one of the simplest ways to encourage people to engage with that, and if there’s one thing I’d like newcomers to do here it’s to engage with our culture.

Knoxvomica,

If you only ever pay for things that benefit you, the social contract starts to erode. Not helping those in need tends to reat it’s ugly head one way or another. That’s literally how taxes are supposed to work.

Poutinetown, to canada in Federal gov’t sparks outrage for giving newcomers free access to Canada’s parks

In other news: “federal govt sparks outrage for giving seniors free access to Canada’s dentists”

Social media user: “why are we even paying taxes? Canada cares about anyone but the taxpayers”

TSG_Asmodeus, (edited )
@TSG_Asmodeus@lemmy.world avatar

Social media user: “why are we even paying taxes? Canada cares about anyone but the taxpayers”

Hahahaha, I can actually see people on their phones/computers saying this aloud.

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