What character that is potrayed as a super genius in media felt like an idiot to you ?

Mine is light and L from death note . They were potrayed as some kinda of super genius characters but in reality it felt like every other characters shared one braincell and light and L were average .

EDIT : I have come to the conclusion that so may of lemmings didn’t get what my post was about . I don’t care if a charecter is an asshole or isn’t very good in other aspects of their life.

Thorny_Insight,

James Bond

While he’s not exactly potrayed as super genious, he’s still supposed to be an extremely compenet secret agent yet the only thing he seems competent at is having an extremely good luck. The only reason he’s still alive is because the villains don’t kill him the first moment they get the chance but instead they always need to deliver this monoloque before executing him which is what causes him to then eventually get away and kill you instead.

Like how many of the movies start by him just naively walking into the enemy compound armed with pistol and wearing a suit while practising zero stealth and then getting caught by NPC security guard. If this is how you operate then how the fuck havent you been killed already?

solrize,

The novels were way better than the movies except for a few of the early movies that followed the novels closely. The other movies were crap.

dustyData, (edited )

I agree, but having watched all Bond movies recently. Early movies Bond is a rapist. It ruined the whole two first films for me. And on top of that, the fight scenes are goofy and badly choreographed. As they progress, Bond transitions to a less rapey vibe into more of a Casanova, and the action scenes gain budget, the fight scenes increase in quality significantly and the plot morphs into the stereotypical spy superagent clichés we know today. The misogyny doesn’t go away until the Daniel Craig era though.

solrize,

Maybe you’re right, I’ve never been into the movies much much. You might be remembering ones that I’ve forgotten or didn’t see.

GONADS125,

Not to mention, he’s the most unreliable agent when it comes to his susceptibility to honeypots…

FaceDeer,
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In the original trilogy of novels by Timothy Zahn, Grand Admiral Thrawn is a legitimate strategic genius who keeps winning until the heroes manage to squeak out a final victory by finding exactly the right flaw in his plans.

In the Ahsoka TV series, Thrawn mumbles vapid syllogisms that only sound profound if you listen to the tone of voice instead of the words. He constantly makes basic Evil Overlord mistakes and oversights, and only achieves the barest minimum success in the end through plot armor and luck.

It's like they're two different characters.

Blueberrydreamer,

This is nostalgia talking. In the OG trilogy, Thrawn was killed in a painfully obvious coup that any competent commander should have seen coming for miles. His constant dismissal of the Noghiri was idiotic. He may not have known Leia was Vader’s daughter, but something was obviously happening with their society that he just waved away like nothing.

In Ahsoka, he has next to nothing to work with, uses his meager resources efficiently, and achieves his only goal completely (aside from Ezra’s infiltration anyway). Babylon’s betrayal is the only reason the heroes achieve anything at all. At the end of the day, Thrawn has always been a fun character who primarily looks like a genius compared to the complete idiocy of other imperials.

Behaviorbabe,

Honestly many of them. But that may be the flaw of being written by people who aren’t as smart as the characters they’re trying to portray. Or the target audience has to also remain interested. Another aspect of this is many of those who are very smart are not these extrovert characters tv audiences would be interested in. It’s the whole big bang theory problem.

Sertou,

Elizabeth Keen in Black List. Writers constantly told us how brilliant and special she was, then showed her acting like a dimwitted, hormonal teen.

ArtVandelay,
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There’s some old quote about you can’t write a character any smarter than you are.

variants,

The joker, well from movie to movie. In the dark knight he is cunning and is like a genius then in the movie joker he is just an ass hole

dreadgoat,
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A good Joker is super hard to write, but it's such a treat when he's done well.

He's supposed to be a genius, but also absolutely insane. So you have to demonstrate that he's extremely intelligent, but also occasionally does extremely stupid / nonsensical things. He always does the most valuable thing, but you have to remember his value system makes no sense.

ONRYO,

I don’t think he is an asshole in joker movie as far as i can see all the people he killed were assholes. But i guess in the dark knight he was an asshole

Moobythegoldensock,

But he isn’t, really. He just comes up with elaborate plans that magically predict the future because the writers wrote it that way. The character himself seems to have an average level of intelligence.

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