What character that is potrayed as a super genius in media felt like an idiot to you ?
Mine is light and L from death note . They were potrayed as some kinda of super genius characters but in reality it felt like every other characters shared one braincell and light and L were average .
EDIT : I have come to the conclusion that so may of lemmings didn’t get what my post was about . I don’t care if a charecter is an asshole or isn’t very good in other aspects of their life.
A good Joker is super hard to write, but it's such a treat when he's done well.
He's supposed to be a genius, but also absolutely insane. So you have to demonstrate that he's extremely intelligent, but also occasionally does extremely stupid / nonsensical things. He always does the most valuable thing, but you have to remember his value system makes no sense.
I don’t think he is an asshole in joker movie as far as i can see all the people he killed were assholes. But i guess in the dark knight he was an asshole
But he isn’t, really. He just comes up with elaborate plans that magically predict the future because the writers wrote it that way. The character himself seems to have an average level of intelligence.
Honestly many of them. But that may be the flaw of being written by people who aren’t as smart as the characters they’re trying to portray. Or the target audience has to also remain interested. Another aspect of this is many of those who are very smart are not these extrovert characters tv audiences would be interested in. It’s the whole big bang theory problem.
In the original trilogy of novels by Timothy Zahn, Grand Admiral Thrawn is a legitimate strategic genius who keeps winning until the heroes manage to squeak out a final victory by finding exactly the right flaw in his plans.
In the Ahsoka TV series, Thrawn mumbles vapid syllogisms that only sound profound if you listen to the tone of voice instead of the words. He constantly makes basic Evil Overlord mistakes and oversights, and only achieves the barest minimum success in the end through plot armor and luck.
This is nostalgia talking. In the OG trilogy, Thrawn was killed in a painfully obvious coup that any competent commander should have seen coming for miles. His constant dismissal of the Noghiri was idiotic. He may not have known Leia was Vader’s daughter, but something was obviously happening with their society that he just waved away like nothing.
In Ahsoka, he has next to nothing to work with, uses his meager resources efficiently, and achieves his only goal completely (aside from Ezra’s infiltration anyway). Babylon’s betrayal is the only reason the heroes achieve anything at all. At the end of the day, Thrawn has always been a fun character who primarily looks like a genius compared to the complete idiocy of other imperials.
While he’s not exactly potrayed as super genious, he’s still supposed to be an extremely compenet secret agent yet the only thing he seems competent at is having an extremely good luck. The only reason he’s still alive is because the villains don’t kill him the first moment they get the chance but instead they always need to deliver this monoloque before executing him which is what causes him to then eventually get away and kill you instead.
Like how many of the movies start by him just naively walking into the enemy compound armed with pistol and wearing a suit while practising zero stealth and then getting caught by NPC security guard. If this is how you operate then how the fuck havent you been killed already?
I agree, but having watched all Bond movies recently. Early movies Bond is a rapist. It ruined the whole two first films for me. And on top of that, the fight scenes are goofy and badly choreographed. As they progress, Bond transitions to a less rapey vibe into more of a Casanova, and the action scenes gain budget, the fight scenes increase in quality significantly and the plot morphs into the stereotypical spy superagent clichés we know today. The misogyny doesn’t go away until the Daniel Craig era though.
Anyone on Doctor Who. There’s a universal war going on, and you have so many decisions made by characters that don’t make sense but are accepted as barriers anyways.
I was in middle school when I started questioning some of that, for example whenever the police try to combat an antagonist, it’s like they willingly use the wrong weaponry every time, or anyone can sneak in anywhere without being vetted. Given the plot armor, I wouldn’t put it past Davros that he wanted to fail.
I show it to my niece and nephew and they are crazy for it. But I learned the hard way that it can scare the shit out of them. The episode with the space whale… Those angry faces from the double headed machine people… So I have to make sure it’s tame for a while. I’m thinking they don’t get to know about the Weeping Angels until junior high
In Stargate Atlantis, Elizabeth Weir is supposed to be some world-class diplomatic genius that has a resume as long as her elbow on earth.
She spends the first two seasons squabbling over the leadership position with Shepard, dealing with petty dissent from the scientists on the expedition, doesn’t manage to resolve a single conflict peacefully and she violates several basic human rights
Ty Burrell played Mr. Peabody in the Dreamworks film based on the old Rocky and Bullwinkle cartoon shorts, where a super intelligent dog had mastered time travel. A year prior, Burrell was regularly being outsmarted by an orange in ads for Tropicana juice drinks.
I'm just sayin', if you were going to hire someone to be a pompous canine smarty-pants, well... David Hyde Pierce is RIGHT THERE.
Jimmy Neutron. Almost all of his problems came from him trying to cheat his way out of something and/or making overcomplicated solutions to simple problems that inevitably backfire because of some simple flaw he never thought about.
Academically, he's a genius, but his overinflated ego prevents him from seeing that he ain't all that smart when it comes to the real world.
Not really that he was portrayed as a genius but Ted Mosby in How I Met Your Mother is kind of a dick, he’s selfish and keeps pursuing girls even after they say no. Still love the show though it’s miles better than friends.
So true. I was watching this on a whim recently and noticed Ted is just an incomprehensibly annoying human being. This guy constantly ignores good advice because wHaT aBoUt TrUe LoVe and is constantly dragging his so-called friends into his shenanigans and inevitable failures. Also he’s a bad friend to pretty much all of the other central characters and will constantly turn them down or ignore their needs in his relentless pursuit to find a girlfriend. Even Barney, the supposed sex hound, frequently makes time for his friends and genuinely wants to see them have a good time. Not Ted. Ted is a selfish bastard who thinks one “grand gesture” can make up for any transgression, so he let’s minor transgressions build until he has to make a grand gesture to smooth things over. That guy is toxic.
Hbomberguy made a video about it. There’s no nuance or foreshadowing in that Sherlock. He exists just so Moffat can feel smart that he knows something the audience can’t possibly know yet, nor does he give them a chance to figure it out.
I can’t dispute that, but in fairness, there are quite a few of the original Sherlock Holmes stories where the reader couldn’t be expected to solve the mystery. The Adventure of the Red Headed League is one such, as I recall, though it has been quite a while since I read it.
For me the fun of the show is in the chemistry between actors and in the development of Sherlock’s character as someone who discovers his own humanity and eventually forms connections with those around him.
Rick from Rick and Morty. Though I feel like the show bounces back and forth from making it clear that he’s an idiot who causes all of his own problems and worshipping him as a god.
He’s an idiot when it comes to literally everything else. He does frequently overcome his idiocy in other areas by using his magic technology to dominate the situation but it backfires just as often as not. He thinks he’s better than everyone else, and in one powerful way he is, so he uses that to compensate.
Anything to do with people or reality not filtered through an alcoholic depression lens it’s very clear he doesn’t know how to handle it, and that includes basic self care.
The problem is that a lot of idiot savant tech-heads see themselves in him but miss the constant intentional criticism of his character.
I said Jimmy Neutron for my answer, but I think Rick faces a similar problem.
He's a genius when it comes to engineering/academics, but otherwise he's a fool with an overinflated ego that won't let him acknowledge that - I mean hell the Ricks literally made the central finite curve so they didn't have to acknowledge the possibility of someone smarter than themselves out there.
Similar to Neutron, most of his problems come from him trying to engineer his way out of personal issues, or making overcomplicated solutions to simple problems that end up backfiring.
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