@solidtrax It really is! 🫢️ Like many of the #bitwig#updates before it is packed with so many small #improvements and new #features that it feels pretty substantial when you dive in, right? Very cool! 🤓️
@amadeus Agreed! I like the addition of comments to the Mixer, but I'm missing the big gorgeous meters. I still hope they will bring them back somehow. Now the UI is flexible and you can make the channels taller and wider, but the meters remain thin and with a limited height.
@icaria36 I will have to look into this again as I also really love the large meters. From my first minutes of playing with 5.1 Beta 1, I got the impression that the meters could be enlarged to basically any size. But again, I need to look into this more closely.
@macberg I seem to be out of the loop because I don't know what you're talking about. 🫣️🙃️ Or do you mean the spectral devices "bundle" that was offered as a paid update and, after quite a few complaints, was included with the standard update plan?
@amadeus Exactly that. They didn't revert anything fundamental, they just decided to not charge for those devices. The ToS still changed, so they will most likely deviate from the "everything included" in the license to paid extras. And given their already very short (1 yr) and expensive licenses it feels like they're right there at the border for where I draw the line.
@macberg I don't know, but I guess I like to #own things, especially when they're as essential to me as a #daw. I think there is something subconsciously reassuring about "owning" something. Whereas with a #subscription, you could lose the service or product at any time. Of course, I would ultimately prefer Bitwig to be #opensource. Then I could be super calm and express my gratitude with #contributions and #donations. 😇️ But that is probably #utopian (for now).
@amadeus Exactly! They're doing good work, supporting Linux, CLAP, the DAW format etc. It would be a shame if they cross the line. And since they're so close, and they showed with the paid devices that they don't mind taking steps in that direction I'm a bit hesitant to make myself more dependent on their software. But, at least I'll still have the version I paid for (I hope).
@macberg I don't exactly love Bitwig's update plan, although I find it acceptable (especially compared to "normal" subscription models). Still, I would prefer to pay for updates and even features and try to avoid subscriptions whenever possible.
@amadeus Agree 100%. Subscriptions are absolute deal breakers for me. So Bitwig is, so far, at least on the right side if that line. But they're basically right ON the line lol. A strong gust of wind and they'll be on the wrong side.
@macberg I know what you mean and I had similar thoughts back then. But who knows, maybe there were other reasons for trying to sell this bundle separately. I know from peronal experience that controlling the cash flow in a small company is sometimes anything but easy. I don't want to imply anything, these are just the thoughts that come to my mind.
@amadeus I'm sure they have reasons for doing what they did. If nothing else they have to follow the same rules of capitalism as everyone else (and therein lies much of the problem).
Good to hear you know and trust the management team though! That is actually reassuring.
@macberg Unfortunately most of us are (still) "directed" in one way or another by the "need" to make money. While I am convinced that there are alternatives to #capitalism, namely #opensource, #paywhatitsworth, #selfsufficiency or even currencies that lose value over time (to name but a few), these things are probably still #visionary and will take time and courage to develop into serious alternatives for large parts of the population.
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