@MadeyeTheCarnaptious I don’t know that you’ll be better off outside the Union, but I do know I have no right to decide for you. And it all hinges on what constitutes “better off”
How could we not be better off by getting out of what's the economic basket case of Europe?
Define "better off" - consider the democratic deficit from 85% of the population being in England and FPTP; the systematic sustained attack on devolution; the complete suppression of mandates for #indyref2 while claiming the "union" is voluntary; the impact on Scotland of #Brexit - which we rejected but got anyway.
@MadeyeTheCarnaptious Like I say, I have no right to decide for you. And I have no argument with the points you make. But…
The way things have been is so unimaginably different from the way things are going to be, whether we like it or not.
I’d like the EU to last. I’d like it to carry on doing a debatably OK job of being the least awful economic block in the global north, but that’s not remotely enough and, given external pressures, not likely to last
@MadeyeTheCarnaptious I think what we will see within the next 20 years is a fragmentation into regional blocks that look nothing like the current alliances we have. So figuring out what constitutes “better off” in that chaotically unpredictable space is hard
@MadeyeTheCarnaptious@urlyman I spend more time in the EU than I spend in the UK and what I see and hear daily is the incredulity at what the UK (England and Wales) has done to itself by leaving. Brexit has ensured that other EU countries will think long and hard and think again, before emulating "our" stupidity.
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