Bove: He went rogue at times?
Hicks: He did. He liked to call himself a fixer - only because he first broke it (laughs)
Trump's lawyer Bove: President Trump's calls with Mr. Pecker didn't stick out, because he often spoke with the press?
Hicks: Right. He does a good job maintaining relationships with the media even if are negative on him.
Bove: Campaigns promote themselves?
Yes.