Cat_LeFey, (edited )
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Hail Freya, it's Friday!
For this week’s #FridayPaganPoll I'm reviving an age-old pagan debate.
This is a two-part question:

Do you think cursing/hexing is an acceptable practice?

Have you done it?

#Pagan #Witch

mjausson,
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@Cat_LeFey I think outright cursing can be warranted in some cases, but I've never done it. Even when warranted, I didn't want to be entangled in the cursee's energy or fate.

OTOH reflecting back a person's energy toward themselves can be very effective. As long as the recipient is a non-psychotic adult, in my book reflecting back is ethically neutral. In my experience it's best combined with a banishing. They usually stay gone after that.

Cat_LeFey,
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@mjausson That's a good way to look at it, like a mirror spell. True justice is getting back what is put out.

magmora,
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@Cat_LeFey not so much a curse/hex per se- geas(a) can be placed on someone so that an action- or inaction triggers it, thus making the person responsible for the ill/good that happens. in that regard, yes, done it loads, will continue to as I enjoy the (mostly positive) outcomes :)

Cat_LeFey,
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@magmora Ooh, good idea, that's subtle, sneaky magick

magmora,
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@Cat_LeFey Fey majick- Sidhe magic- solves a few steps along the way, plus it's easier on the caster :)

thesquirrelfish,
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@Cat_LeFey
I was talking to my mom about this and possibly cursing/banishing a bad roommate I have that refuses to move out. Mom says she thought the cursing would be unhealthy for my soul/karma/chi/energy and I agree, but I think an eviction would be at least as bad.
Our souls don't just suffer from the things we know as magic or power, but from the whole of the energy we put into the world whether it be in our day to day practical or in our spiritual practices.

Cat_LeFey,
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@thesquirrelfish I don't think banishing is as harsh as cursing, because I see it as more protective than hostile, but I get what you're saying here. Whether magick or mundane, it's important to think about all the consequences of our actions and what we're putting energy into.

Pagan_Animist,
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@Cat_LeFey

Only as a last resort.

Did it work?

I’ve no idea but with the sort of person they were, with the sort that hung around that house, ultimately nothing good will come of it.
Trunks full of heavy drugs coming in from NYC, guns, ammo, vicious dogs.

After thinking about it for a number of years I really think they poisoned my dog, who was four, very healthy, and she died of liver failure during the course of a month.

Cat_LeFey,
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@Pagan_Animist Hurting someone's dog is definitely grounds for a curse!

Pagan_Animist,
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@Cat_LeFey

Especially that one. She was utterly and totally devoted to me.

My Elise

MsHearthWitch,
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@Cat_LeFey

I've done it, more than once, never regretted it.

My curses and hexes are always in response to something. For me it's not about causing some harm to the target, although that is part of it. Instead, it's been a powerful moment of me drawing my line in the sand. Sending a message to my brain and to the ether "You may not treat me and mine in such a manner without repercussions."

They've been moments where I take back my power and acknowledge my self worth.

#pagan #witch

Cat_LeFey,
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@MsHearthWitch Yes, same. I also consider cursing to be a magickal reprimand in the same way we have social reprimands, which are actually really important to a well-functioning, peaceful society. If someone is acting poorly, it's up to someone else to speak up and say, “hey, we don't act like that, it's not cool!” And so it also might fall on the witch to provide some counterbalance, energetically speaking.

MsHearthWitch,
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@Cat_LeFey Yes, exactly this! It's about putting the finger on the scale when it's been weighted improperly. And like I said, for me personally, it's about actually being the one to do that rather than waiting around for them to get their comeuppance thru some other means.
Whether it has an actual outcome on the person isn't the point. The point is ME standing up and saying "NOPE, that behavior does not fly here." That's powerful magic.

VVitchy,
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@Cat_LeFey

I'm not a fluffy bunny or good-vibes-only witch.

I won't light someone up for shits'n'grins, but I also don't 'turn you the other cheek'.

Cat_LeFey,
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@VVitchy Yup, sometimes violence is necessary. I punch Nazis, and I also curse them, lol

Writch,
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@Cat_LeFey
I've done it once, when my husband's superior in the Navy was actively being abusive to everyone under her, and tried very deliberately to get him and a couple of other male subordinates in serious trouble (ordering them to go into a female berthing without a female escort). He was coming home every evening feeling like absolute garbage, so I felt that on his and his shipmates' behalf, I would give it a shot. She ended up getting kicked out of leadership when HER superior started learning through the grapevine that she was abusing her sailors not long after that. It's a pretty rare occurrence, given how much leadership tends to protect itself, so it was unusual, to say the least. Was it due to the hex I did? Maybe it played a small role, but I felt it was a fair response to the harm she was doing my husband and his shipmates regardless.

Everyone decides for themselves if it's a thing they're willing to try or not. I personally have to be pushed pretty far to reach that point, and it also has to be continuous nasty behavior, which is why I've only done it once. If someone is just being somewhat of a dick to me or whatever, I don't waste the energy.

Cat_LeFey,
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@Writch This is a good story, thanks for sharing, cuz it illustrates an important point that useful cursing isn't about revenge or comeuppance, but as a tool to correct power imbalances.

Writch,
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@Cat_LeFey
Thank you for articulating that point, too! It was what I was trying to get across, striking against a power imbalance, but I didn't articulate that too well, haha!

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