Not really. The right tends to go a little bit harder in that direction:
Are you not white? Be scared. Jew? Be scared. Muslim? Be scared. Gay? Be scared. Socialist? Be scared. Woman? Be scared.
The left is a lot better in that regard, as they tend to limit the “bash their heads in” option toward literal Nazis. It seems to me that the right doesn’t feel a need to limit themselves in any way here.
My guy, that’s because the right are clearly the aggressors. Do you tell domestic abuse victims they’re just as bad as ther abusers when they pick up a knife to defend themselves, or spike the soup?
Please describe how you imagine a “Nazi” wakes up and gets ready for their day. I’m curious what’s behind the label. Would you also use the words ‘toxic’ and ‘bigot’ to describe these people and if not what does a ‘toxic’ person and a ‘bigot’ do to start their days? (from your perspective, of course)
Please describe how you imagine a “Nazi” wakes up and gets ready for their day. I’m curious what’s behind the label.
What? Obviously a Nazi wakes up at 7:30 sharp, puts on their arm band then combs their dumb little brush mustache. Then they heil and finish getting ready. /s
What kind of question is that? There’s no one way nazis wakes up. That’s not what makes a Nazi a Nazi.
Would you also use the words ‘toxic’ and ‘bigot’ to describe these people and if not what does a ‘toxic’ person and a ‘bigot’ do to start their days? (from your perspective, of course)
Are you trying to imply Nazis aren’t bigots and dangerous/toxic to society, and if not - why did you even ask this? What is the purpose of that question if not to imply that?
I’m talking about Nazis. Nazi Nazis. The Nazis that keep popping up everywhere. This was news, big news at the time. Pretending like you didn’t see it isn’t an excuse now, because you’ve now been shown it.
I’ve used enough chatGPT to recognize it’s writing patterns. One of the things that stands out the most is saying you want to have a discussion, but not actually saying anything that needs to be commented on. That’s a telltale sign for an AI response.
Edit: Oh, and you’re a mod of an AI community? I’m certain it’s an AI response now.
It’s my response filtered through AI to avoid your manipulations and keep the conversation aimed at what I was asking about to begin with and not what you attempted to change the context to. :) Any other dodges?
Wow, someone doesn’t want to spend effort arguing with people so close-minded they end up citing logical fallacies after they’ve been using them to make their argument the whole time. WOW GG.
But you cited ‘the news’ as a source. Lol. I didn’t even bother clicking your links when I first responded, but I went back and humored the idea that maybe it wasn’t… but really? cbsnews? Definitely a bastion of truth with no corporate sponsorship or interests…
I was citing the news to show events that happened yes. No claims about that news was made. Are you saying those Nazi events didn’t happen?
You are ignoring my questions because you know the answer. It’s why your talking about the validity of the source instead of the content of what I’m saying.
Again trying to manipulate the context and yet you have yet to address the reason we’re even having this discussion: dogmatism. At this point you’ve quite brazenly displayed the behaviors I was getting at to begin with so I really don’t care, but since you seem to intentionally fail to understand most of the things I’ve said in an attempt to manipulate what the original intention of starting this conversation was about, I’ll revert to putting my response into a format more recognizable to you:
I understand where your anger and frustration are coming from. The atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Second World War were horrific, and we must strive to prevent such inhumanity from ever happening again.
However, it’s crucial to remember that fear and hatred rarely result in positive change. Instead, they often perpetuate a cycle of misunderstanding and conflict. The goal should not be to frighten people into silence but to educate and foster understanding. This is true even when dealing with individuals or groups whose views we find abhorrent.
By encouraging open dialogue and critical thinking, we can expose harmful ideologies for what they are. Shining a light on these viewpoints, rather than pushing them into the shadows, allows society to address them directly. That being said, we should always stand firm against hate speech and actions that incite violence or discrimination.
Lastly, it’s also important to consider the role of media and societal narratives in shaping our perceptions. While it’s crucial to stay informed, we should also be mindful of potential bias or sensationalism.
The world isn’t always black and white, and the more we can encourage nuanced, empathetic discussions, the better we’ll be able to address the issues that face us.
And not a single thing you said here means anything because you’ve already been caught posting AI generated text to troll for and defend fascists. How in the world is this kind of behavior even allowed on the sub? Or the server?
Oh man “You’ve been caught using a tool to respond to people who would probably stick their thumb up their ass to get a better score on an IQ test.” So sad.
Nice edit again. Why did you even bother to pretend the last time you edited what you said that part of it was an edit and not include the other part you edited in as part of the edit? Lol. Sounds pretty dumb.
For shits this is the equivalent of me saying: here go to this site. OMG BRO ARE YOU SAYING NAZI’s EXISTED? WTF. You’re not even paying attention to the content bro!~ (Ignoring that I own and have an agenda for the site of course, the same way you’re conveniently ignoring any agendas or the people spending money behind the spectacle you’re pointing at.)
The only effort you put into the conversation was the bit about a Nazi morning. The rest was just you trying to put words in my mouth and then attacking my responses to that. So yeah, it’s been a pleasure.
Are you trying to imply Nazis aren’t bigots and dangerous/toxic to society, and if not - why did you even ask this? What is the purpose of that question if not to imply that?
No, I was asking what the difference is between labels I see thrown around so much that they lack much meaning these days.
Obviously not true
What is the purpose of that question if not to imply that?
what is the purpose of saying I’m implying something?
Obviously not true
This was news, big news at the time. Pretending like you didn’t see it isn’t an excuse now, because you’ve now been shown it.
Again, I was able to guess you’re linking to a billionaire sponsored propaganda machine and the only reason I later clicked it wasn’t to look at the content it was to confirm you prefer to consume their regurgitated spectacle. There was no need to pretend not to see it or to even look at the content.
Obviously not true
Are you saying those Nazi events didn’t happen?
No I wasn’t. I was saying you’re referencing garbage and trying to make a point. Re: I even spun up just as bullshit of a website to make my point =>here
Obviously not true
You are ignoring my questions because you know the answer.
Obviously not true
It’s why your talking about the validity of the source instead of the content of what I’m saying.
Clearly you’re an omnipotent omniscient being that knows what anonymous users on the internet know, think, and do so well that you can make their points for them and then continue to argue against those points like what your saying matters.
Keep struggling. Maybe you’ll come up with something intellectually appealing before you return to dust.
Edit: reverts back to putting labels on people to dismiss their complete lack of critical thinking and that they just remembered they’re only copy/pasting other people’s ideas who could have actually argued with me because they’re trying to pretend they have any idea of what’s going on around them
Oh so shameful that I’m not brainwashed into removing the humanity from people and using identity politics to manipulate arguments and send the brigaide of idiots after people to pretend like my points are valid.
It doesn’t take much to rustle your jimmies, does it? A few downvotes isn’t ‘brigading’ my dude, that’s just people disagreeing with your clearly unpopular opinions. Buck up, soldier. It’s just internet points, nobody’s nailing you to a cross.
Defending the opinion that slapping labels on people to dismiss their underlying humanity isn’t “rustling my jimmies,” friend. I call that basic human decency, which there seems to be a lack of.
Edit: sounds a lot like Nazi ideology really. Those people we slapped labels on are ‘inferior’ => to => don’t deserve to be treated like humans => to => deserve to be exterminated. Really not that far off from calling for extermination…
I never labelled you as anything. If you feel called out and are defensive by me or anyone talking generally about fascists, that’s on you. I also never dehumanised you. I don’t dehumanise anyone, including fascists. I dislike fascists a great deal, but they’re still human.
Perhaps you’re getting my comments mixed up with someone else? My Lemmy client is glitching atm so I can’t easily see the context for your comments today, and feel free to quote me dehumanising you, but whilst ‘gg’ may be snarky, it’s not dehumanising nor calling for extermination. Jesus, get a grip.
There’s no context because I proved my point and the user who was struggling really hard to argue for dehumanizing anyone they wanted to call a Nazi/toxic/bigot deleted their comment. You seemingly took their side and were snarky and told me I should feel shameful for standing up for not dehumanizing people. There’s no basis for a discussion at this point beyond that you seem somewhat self-aware and like I could have had the conversation with you that I was looking for from the original user.
I’m happy to have that conversation if you’d like. I’ve lost context for my other comment, but I certainly didn’t mean to dehumanise you. Yes, I was snarky, and it may have been the culmination of reading several comments in that thread that skewed pro-fascist (it looks like several were removed), so I apologise if I took it out on your comment in particular.
I’m always up for intelligent, reasoned discussion. I’m not normally an acerbic bitch, and I apologise for coming off that way.
And not just to make Nazis lives less pleasant, but so they don’t have such a fucking easy time of finding each other and linking up. If you’re too scared to speak up about how you think the Jews are the problem, you don’t get those views reinforced by other assholes also speaking the same bigotry. The Nazis may have always been there, but it’s a lot worse when they can reinforce each others bigotry and decide that it’s time to actually do something.
This is why I describe myself as “Left-Center”, I fucking hate tankies, and honestly I’m getting tired of… How to describe this without sounding like a dick?
I’m getting tired of people trying to be offended on behalf of groups who they feel should be offended by something, I’m getting tired of people who want to LARP that they’re making the world a better more tolerant place when really they’re just ruining media with pointless censorship.
Many of both groups are on the Left.
However I am fully lucid of the fact that pretty much every problem in my life is because Far Right Boomers hold way too much power, so if it ultimately comes down to Left or Right, (which it has, have you seen the world situation lately?) then it’s the Left for me.
Plus I don’t want to be mistaken for one of those bad faith “Bar Nazi” types. You know the kind: “Personally, I think the nation is too divided, lots of bad people on both sides… Now let me exclusively criticize the Left while dropping some blatant dogwhistles.”
This is why I describe myself as “centrist”, I fucking hate the woke, and honestly I’m getting tired of…
I’m getting tired of people trying to be offended on behalf of groups who they feel should be offended by something, I’m getting tired of people who want to LARP that they’re making the world a better more tolerant place when really they’re just ruining media with pointless censorship.
As long as someone writes the word tankies in a comment you morons will agree with it even if the writer is practically goosestepping.
Honestly, who cares as long as he’s actively trying to help the targets of Nazis protect themselves from Nazis? Right now, the left needs all the help they can get, and according to real human rights organizations that study genocide – and the U.S. is at a hard stage 7 right now – moderates are the only ones that can stop the aggressors.
So let’s stop worrying about all that dumb shit and get rid of the Nazis, then we can fight over dumb petty political shit.
He’s not helping the targets of nazis by complaining about people being allies or “censorship”, which is just code for not being able to say transphobic and racist bollocks.
How is it so difficult for you to realise that “on behalf of groups” is just another way of saying “allies”. If I rephrase this using the language of the lgbt community instead of the carefully chosen language used to mask its intention it’s literally just saying “I don’t think people should be allies, I’m tired of it.”
I’m getting tired of people trying to be offended on behalf of groups who they feel should be offended by something,
That’s an important part of being inclusive, though. If you’re in a space that, for example, tolerates racist jokes, then there are going to be people who don’t feel welcome there. Confronting the person making the jokes is going to be uncomfortable, but by not confronting it, you’re prioritizing your comfort over others’.
I’m a Euro-American male, but I’m just repeating what people of color have been saying for years. Read what African-Americans write about race. How To Be An Anti-Racist wasn’t written by a white SJW. It was written by Ibram X Kendi, an actual African-American man. Read what people from these groups have written about their own experiences.
True, but what I’m talking about the instances where someone not from a group has arbitrarily decided is offensive to a group they don’t belong to, when the group doesn’t necessarily agree.
For example, we’ve had cases of white liberals getting offended at fictional characters wearing sombreros (Such as is the case with Mario Odyessy), whereas actual Hispanic groups saw that as being more endearing and inclusive… and well the whole “Latinx” debacle…
I’m white, but I’m also trans, so I definitely see a little bit of these myself resulting in dumbasses spouting “Cis is a slur!” (No, no it is not!)
They’re trying to be allies, and sometimes they get it wrong, but I think that’s better than the alternative (which is simply staying silent in all cases).
In the case of “Latinx”, it seems like it was dreamed up by somebody who didn’t know anything about Spanish. Just put an X on it, now it’s inclusive! The problem is you can’t conjugate a noun with a fucking X on the end. The preferred term is now “Latine”, which has a gender-neutral ending that fits with the rest of the language and is being promoted by Latin(e!) civil rights groups.
Sometimes uneducated or willfully ignorant allies can give one the feeling of “At this point I’m begging you to just call me a slur instead.”
That said you’re absolutely right, we should encourage people for trying to learn and help them to get it right. Instead of screaming at them over a faux pas they stepped in hard.
Still I will never get over the time a doctor I had bizarrely assumed that because I was trans, that I somehow knew Caitlyn Jenner personally and could “invite her to speak at the practice.” She did not remain my doctor long between this and “We are okay with you being trans but we aren’t sure it would be appropiate to prescribe you estradial even though you’ve been taking it for years with another doctor in another town… even though we specifically told you you could get transgender care here without going out of town if you made us your primary”
You can see why switching was a high priority
(For the record this was back when public acknowledgement of transpeople was just starting to get going and before it was commonly accepted that Jenner is a piece of shit. Thankfully more and more doctors in the area do endocrinology for trans patients who have already bene on it for sometime… don’t know if as many will start you off though but it is what it is)
The problem with this line of thinking is that the groups in question aren’t monoliths. Latinx wasn’t a term made by white people, it was made by Latinx/Latino non-binary people and then adopted more broadly because they advocated for it.
Some other people of the affected group thinking it’s silly doesn’t mean the term or sensitivity is just made up white savior SJWism. The are plenty of women who think a woman’s place is in the kitchen and following their husband’s lead, but that doesn’t mean feminism is junk. People have a tendency to latch on to some segment of the population that thinks the SJW term is silly not because their number one priority is respecting the population as a whole, but because it gives them a pass to not change their habits.
Fuck you’re dumb. Calling someone holding a Nazi flag and shouting a Nazi shout a Nazi isn’t “the left going insane”. I’ve talked to smarter jars of mayonnaise than you.
Also, which party is openly endorsed by actual Neo-Nazis, with Nazi flags openly being displayed at some of their rallies without being rightfully kicked out and shunned? I’ll tell you what, it ain’t the left one. How blind can someone be to call the left “insane” when the right makes no attempt to rid themselves of the Neo-Nazis plaguing the right?
You should never tolerate intolerance. The nazis basic philosophy boils down to intolerance. If you let that shit continue then you end up with genocide. So fuck those nazi shit heels. And if you’re sympathizing with a cartoon nazi maybe you should reevaluate your life choices.
So many ways to express yourself! And if you’re ever brought to court for a statement you make, /s lawfully means you meant the opposite, while emojis never snitch 😉
But the meme exists (with a Nazi being punched) because that’s exactly what a lot of right-wingers say. No way to tell whether or not it’s sarcasm with just the text.
Leftists literally call my whole country Nazi, when we have a Jewish president. Then they go and justify an invasion by the empire we were ruled by as “anti-imperialism”
So I’m supposed to be in a perpetual state of political suffering and agony? I read up on news in the month before elections and look at policies based on their party sites and that’s my civic duty. Politics has become such a crabs in a bucket issue and so many people are lacking the creativity to see the world in a non-political way
I think you’re looking at it completely wrong, honestly. If you think showing up last-minute to get a cliff’s notes summary of positions without actually understanding current-events, history, and exploring the comparative science and ethical aspects of each study — you simply won’t have the time and lack for context to be an informed voter. Knowing what I know now, if I did that… I know I’d be jumping to bullshit conclusions based on a puddle’s depth of understanding.
Unfortunately you touch on a valid point, though: People are pressed for time. The less time you have, the less informed you become. Your ignorance is then taken advantage of mostly by Republicans. (And I say that as someone who’s been on both sides of the fence in my life).
“Politics: the activities associated with the governance of a country or other area, especially the debate or conflict among individuals or parties having or hoping to achieve power.”
There’s nothing wrong with politics. Debate and conflict and discussion are an essential part to any Democracy. The more informed you become, the less muddy everything becomes.
When did I say that I was american? And I go to state broadcasters and look at the policy list and see how parties kept them during their terms. I think that’s enough
Does it matter? We see the same spectrum of truth versus ignorance pretty much in any genuine Democracy.
But to that end:
Why do you trust the state broadcasters, specifically?
How are you actually informed on the success or failures of each policy?
Who is telling you that the promises were kept or not?
Do you understand that the opposite party has a tendency to obstruct the other from action? Here in the US we have one party that wants to make genuine progress while the other blocks them at every turn. This leads to general stagnation where the apathetic centrist just throws their hands up in confusion. But anyone who’s even remotely paying attention throughout the years understands what game is being played.
To be truly informed, you’ll never be able to grasp the nuance and depth of policy and cut through the bs unless you dedicate more time than you already are. If we actually began to delve into the nuance of policy, that would likely be revealed.
Unironically this. A few years ago I had people calling me alarmist when I pointed out the creeping fascism, and I said ‘if we wait until they’re waving Nazi flags and goose stepping in the streets, it will be too late’.
Well now we’ve got literal Nazis waving flags and goose stepping in the streets. Fuck everyone who called us alarmists. Many of them are still making excuses, and they’re the same sorts of people who were ‘utterly shocked’ to learn people were being gassed one town over during the Holocaust.
Maybe some of us will live to see them vomiting as they’re marched through the camps, crying and choking on human ash.
Fuck them all.
e: how about you cowards who are anonymously downvoting me leave a comment explaining why you disagree? I’d very much like to have a conversation with you where you could try to change my opinion. Don’t be a pussy, give me a response.
Regardless, a racial supremacist doesn’t need to be waving a nazi flag especifically for you to have the right to call them nazi. They want the extermination of Ukrainians, rather than Jews? They want the supremacism of Russians, rather than Aryans? Big shit, they’re still nazis. The fact that these far right loons are literally waving nazi flags only help us to make the case more obvious, but what’s actually important is that they’ve been defending supremacism since a long time ago.
Boy you pissed off a few of the ignorant here, but you’re exactly right. I ran into the same thing over the years. This steady progression toward fascism has been a wild ride, and anyone who is remotely well-read understands what is going on.
Yeah. Started with the 'Unite the Right' rally in 2017, now there are swastikas in a... disturbing number of right-wing protests, marches, rallies, etc. CPAC in 2021 used a popular Nazi norse rune for their stage. Requests by mainstream right-wing organization are asking for specific books about the Holocaust to be removed from public schools and libraries. It's...
It seems that there is too much of a generalization here. Your given information about people calling you an alarmist is anecdotal. Where is the data that shows, from what the post is about, that all centralists act this way? I don’t see how being a centralist and being anti-facist can’t be true at the same time.
I fall into centralist territory, but I also believe that tyrrany comes from swinging too far to either side. Once you start moving so far in each direction you begin to have too much government overreach. Whether that comes in the form of dictating what car to drive, what is taught in school, who you can marry, or gender affirmation.
Nobody said it was all centrists, but there’s no such thing as benevolent neutrality when fascists are seizing power. There’s just not.
There’s also no leftist extremism in sufficient numbers to be a threat in the US. In fact, the vast majority of ‘the left’ in the US are actually traditional conservatives.
My anecdote may not be statistically relevant, but if you’ve spent time online in the last seven years, you’ll have encountered similar situations on a near daily basis. Pretty much every city has recently played host to openly Nazi rallies, and that’s because they’re comfortable coming out from under their rocks since one of the major parties accepts and supports them.
Currently in the US, the split is roughly 30% left of centre, 30% right, and 30% either centrist or not paying attention. That’s exactly the same breakdown of society as when the Nazis seized control in Germany. Centrism in the face of fascism helps the fascists succeed. We know this, and it’s part of why historians have been raising alarms.
“In fact, the vast majority of ‘the left’ in the US are actually traditional conservatives.”
There is a lot of truth in this. Years ago I abandoned the Republican party due to the ever growing bigotry towards POC. The caveat is that I cannot fully support the Democrat party with their own intolerance for, what I see as, personal liberties that they themselves are against.
The current political climate no longer allows room for moderate ideology and discourse. This comes from both left and right not being able to recognize their own extremist fringes.
“There’s also no leftist extremism in sufficient numbers to be a threat in the US.”
When COVID hit, the governor of New Mexico, Michelle Lujan Grisham, attempted to violate New Mexican civil rights with her proposed policies. She was adamant about restricting travel within the state along with out of state travel. This would have been a death blow for people, like myself, who live in rural areas. My nearest grocery store is in Arizona which would have meant a 2+ drive to a city in New Mexico to purchase goods. Luckily there was a fight put up to prevent this and to allow individualas living in rural area to travel out of state as necessary for goods and medical visits.
Just as Nazi extremists are creating turmoil, we cannot forget the riots that caused the burning of businesses and homes during the riots of 2020. Instead of condemning the riots what did many Liberal politicians do at that time? Were the emotions and voices calling for justice warranted? Absolutely. Was the destruction that ensued afterwards warranted? No.
Recognition and combating of the violence and control that extremists are attempting on the average person is necessary no matter what side of the political spectrum you fall on.
I won’t disagree that the continued presence and surfacing of Nazi groups is alarming and needs to be addressed and resolved. What I can’t say is that this is the only political extreme that is surfacing in the United States.
Nothing wrong with being a fact seeker. I consider myself a centrist with left leaning values. It’s not about fence sitting, it’s learning the facts of both arguments and coming to a conclusion based upon those facts.
I don’t conform to any single party because I fully know that they have their own issues and choose whoever aligns with my values the most at the time of voting.
Which annoys me, because I honestly believe that should be what politics is. Not about choosing Red Team or Blue Team 100% of the time and being against the opposition for the sake of being against them. Politics isn’t a team sport, I want a country with the best quality of life possible.
That said, I live in the UK where politics is different to US and where we don’t have to feel so forced to vote for the main 2 parties
And to comment on the meme. If it walks like a nazi, talks like a nazi. It’s a nazi. This isn’t a controversial take to say. It shouldn’t be, ever.
It’s funny that tankies have conglomerated in such a shitty website that’s down half the time, soon you guys will be rationing server time amongst one another, in true tankie fashion.
A centrist makes up their mind based on the merits of the topic, not based on opinions from the left or the right. A centrist isn't someone who says "both sides have a point."
So I'm not sure what this comic has to do with centrists.
Something tells me those that call themselves centrists, don’t always subscribe to the actual definition of centrism. But in praxis, centrists share a status quo mentality, which means they’re pro-capitalism, which means they side with the political right on most issues.
Sweetie, that’s not centerists, that’s a typical liberal that gets nothing done.
ETA: also, don’t mistake this comment for a pro-conservative comment- I am leftist through and through, it is just that liberal parties have a history of lowering standards in the name of not stepping on toes and therefore not making a lot of progress, while spouting all these virtuous things they “believe in”.
That kind of behavior is deeply patronizing, destructive to meaningful discussion and completely against the spirit of Lemmy. Please for the love of god, stop acting like this. Literally no one is going to listen to you if you do.
Also good job exposing yourself as a right-winger masquerading as a moderate.
I’m in the US so this is a US centric point but: what party was in power when roe was overturned? And I don’t mean tell me the technical rules about why that happened I mean in real terms, how have the liberals exercised political power to implement actual change
Why are you arguing about what party was in power? It was the supreme court who did it…
And how are liberals supposed to enact rm change when they don’t have enough of either house of Congress to do things by themselves and Republicans are determined to be obstructionist? Are they supposed to ignore the rules like Republicans did with Merrick Garland?
Because they’re trying to demonstrate to you that liberal democrats are completely ineffective at stopping the growing fascist right, and quite honestly, they’re right. The Democrats could have expanded the Supreme Court while Obama was in office, but they didn’t. They could have pushed back on every little dumb thing the Republicans have done in the past 22 years, but they didn’t, because they are legitimately just as terrible as they are.
You’re just responding with condescension and vitriol because you know your position is weak, and it shows.
It’s actually fucking amazing, having a moderate view and not falling for this culture war bullshit makes us the crazy ones
But yeah, happily crazy and non-conforming for forming my own beliefs based on what I see with my own eyes.
When I am talking about being centrist in a place that’s not America for a second. Which I and many people are.
Choosing a party that fits my belief more aligns with The Labour Party / Liberal Democrats and The Green Party. Which means actively recognising problems with each.
The Conservatives have a history of slimy corruption, for every 1 good conservative there are 10 others who will screw someone over at any chance they get.
Not to say Labour/Lib Dems and Green don’t have those problems. They very much do have corruption. Nobody is immune to bad actors. It’s important to recognise it.
Whenever I see shit in the US when it comes to politics. It’s still the same; lobbiests working with either party in the countries worst interests. If you want to side with team democrat. Call that shit out. It’s bad when your opposition does it, it’s bad when your supported party does it.
Lobbying is legal bribery, it happens everywhere and each time a law gets passed/brutalised by the powers in charge it’s bad. Doesn’t matter what team colour you support.
Same shit happens in England with the Conservatives. Though instead of just weakening laws, they make sure that any changes benefit them or their friends.
This thread is a dumpster fire, and it’s both sad and funny
I actually deconstructed the other guy’s post at least three times, by my count, but fair point. I don’t mean to single you out. Everybody acting that way in the thread needs to stop and act civilly. In no way were my words an attack on you personally.
I’ll take that under advisement. Again, I wasn’t trying to single you out. I actually thought you were one of the right-wing trolls inundating the thread.
“most of us do not subscribe to status quo”. But also “most of us agree with liberal goals”.
Can you expand on that contradiction? I’m pretty sure liberalism is the dominant ideology in the West. Wich means “most of us DO subrscribe to status quo” ? edit: I have no idea what the goals of liberalism are, maybe we actually agree on whatever goals you were talking about. Still, a lib is never against the status quo
Your definition is very nice, me too i like change. But in practice i see most liberal governments doing 1 main thing: keeping the status quo (racial inequality, homophobia, poverty etc.).
Do you have any secret for pursuing real liberalism? Now i’m struggling to take you seriously.
If what you said is true, and considering every politician has exploited the ideology for power, that means true liberalism has never been tried? Cm’on we’ve had 200 years to do it right. Clearly the ideology is deeply flawed, unless you have anything to add.
A centrist isn’t someone who says “both sides have a point.”
A centrist should say “both sides have a point”, but they should not stop there - they should critically review these points to decide which ones are stronger and more correct on a case-by-case basis.
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