This one struck some nerves lmao. I don’t expect much from the people who think the full strength of NATO is fighting in Ukraine. Poland alone would march to Moscow in a month
I don’t think there are many countries that hate Russians more than the countries formerly occupied by them. And Poland is the most well-known of them internationally.
Not a pole, but from the neighborhood and can confirm. And by "formerly occupied" we don't mean just Soviet Union. Russia's imperialist shit has been going on for literally centuries.
But I see now that you moderate “Ukraine,” so the original picture checks out.
You (either intentionally to mislead, or ignorantly) must likely think NATO is actually helping in Ukraine instead of fucking up grain-futures for hedge funds (and letting BlackRock “rebuild” when the meat grinder stops).
It can also be non-Westerners. I was reading a tankie that seemed to indicate they were from outside the West. I know Serbians hate NATO and its constituting countries with an intense passion…
Believe it or not, while there’s many bad things the US is and does, other factions are capable of being and doing worse. Maybe look at a situation on its merits rather than having "America bad“ as your single political principle.
Fuck socialism if it leads to outcomes like the USSR or DPRK - but that’s the thing it doesn’t have to be, and those definitionally aren’t socialism.
Nobody mentioned socialism or the USSR. You did. The flag on the bottom is not even a USSR flag, and the USSR didn’t have an exclusive trademark on the hammer and the sickle. This is a nazi flag with the swastika replaced with the hammer and the sickle, acting as a symbol of the nazbol’s dupery.
The meme is saying that the Lemmy nazbols, using communist imagery, are allies of the US Christofascists of the Republican Party when they glorify Putin’s crimes. The meme could have been better without mentioning the US right, tbh, but the point that nazbols are allies of a fascist regime that is perpetrating crimes no leftist worthy of the name should endorse is valid.
But you’re being dense on purpose, aren’t you? You knew all that. Or did you not read the post’s text?
I’m not the only person downvoting all of you dorks. No, it really just is that confusing on purpose.
Why spend days thinking of a dumb meme format (done incorrectly btw) and then butcher the crop of the stupid elephant, this would have taken maybe 2 seconds to make into something other than a shitpost, but most people have ZERO idea what OP is even saying.
A cretin trying to gaslight. Failing at creating noise because they got good-faith posters to explain everything in minute details, and the explanations are consistent and they didn’t succeed in creating dissension between non-nazbols. And the bit about downvotes lets me think they used alts to downvote comments.
Tankies are idiots that think the likes of the USSR are socialist/communist, and are definitionally wrong.
Because of their authoritarian leanings (and myopic focus on American diabolism), tankies frequently agree with other authoritarians like the GOP.
Russia is an authoritarian, autocratic regime conducting an attempted annexation, and due to their ideological alignment, both tankies and the GOP tend to support this annexation.
Communism is a form of socialism, but that’s not relevant here, because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion.
because neither term is applicable to any party under discussion. Yet both of you keep using both terms throughout this post.
Why are you misquoting me in response to someone else? Please by all means point to the communism (or socialism for that matter) here. It’s certainly not coming from the tankies, nazbols or USSR in anything other than name.
YOU are the ones conflating the 2
One is a subset of the other, and both are equally irrelevant unless you’ve pointed to the communism/socialism as requested.
YOU (…) somehow even might believe Russia isn’t the 2nd most popular Capitalist hellscape for war crimes.
Of what relevance is this beyond confirming my point about American diabolism?
Tell you to open your eyes to the USA not giving a shit about Ukraine isn’t automatically some kind of russian-plot, or “supporting” the conflict. Most leftists are against the war, but the USA is not against the war.
I swear the libs on here are equally as disillusioned about the real world as straight-up-republicans. You’ve been lied to your entire lives, teach yourself comrade.
You haven’t answered my questions. This isn’t a conversation - it’s just you dumping nonsense on everyone.
Noone is talking about a Russian plot involving the US but you. I can’t help you confusing imagination with reality. Tankies, Nazis and Nazbols are generally supporting Russia’s annexation.
The US has provided significant support to Ukraine, and Russia is a hostile to the US. It’s in the best interests of the US to support Ukraine with military hardware that would otherwise be decommissioned.
I’ve given you no reason to think I’m a lib, and based on the nonsense you’re spouting, I suspect you’re no comrade of mine.
If this is the level you’re engaging at, I’m not interested. Feel free to take it elsewhere.
They’re an obvious tankie troll trying to gaslight you. They even bragged about sending in the Hexbear brigades before deleting their messages to escape the banhammer.
I’m not at all involved in this convo, nor am I a tankie, but I do think it’s important to recognize that the USSR was in fact Socialist, even if it had numerous flaws. It’s useful for both MLs and non-MLs to learn from, I personally am not an ML and would not want to recreate the USSR, but I do form part of my views on what I want from a future Socialist society based on what happened with the USSR.
As an example, I don’t think the structure of a Soviet Republic is sound in and of itself, as it disregards the masses the farther up the chain you go. I’m more in favor of a more decentralized approach.
Yeah - that’s fair, and a mistake on my part - they were socialist, but not communist (lack of worker enfranchisement among other gaps).
I think the main issue with the USSR (and probably the majority of “communist” countries) was the failure to put in the pre-work. Without levelling the economic imbalances and setting up a strong welfare state ahead of time, they created imbalanced economic conditions, which were functionally imbalances in political power that led to a collapse into an authoritarian oligarchy - exacerbated by the challenge of trying to retool the economy overnight to keep people fed.
That’s literally the point. In the phrase, “a wolf in a sheep’s clothing”, we mean that the wolf is using the sheep’s clothing, not that the sheep is a wolf. It’s the same thing nazbols are doing with communism. They aren’t actually communist. They just use communist imagery to spew their nazi bullshit. The nazbol flag is a very fitting one.
I’d argue nazbols are an even bigger threat to communism than a mere flag, due to the confusion they create in people’s minds. I know where to direct my outrage, but you do you.
... because the point is pointing out that it's insane that some Western self-proclaimed leftists are supporting an imperialist war, not that it's insane that Russia and the GOP are both fascist (which anyone with a hint of sense already knew)?
But I see now that you moderate “Ukraine,” so the original picture checks out.
You (either intentionally to mislead, or ignorantly) must likely think NATO is actually helping in Ukraine instead of fucking up grain-futures for hedge funds (and letting BlackRock “rebuild” when the meat grinder stops).
Even in Soviet Russia there were communist factions who disagreed with Stalin and his (expendable) cronies. See: the 4th International. These factions, of course, were purged and deleted from history as "revisionists" and "counter-revolutionary".
Not to mention anarchists, who are far on the left and generally agree with Marxist theory (Marx's vision of "stateless, classless" society is principally anarchist), but can't and won't agree with authoritarianism, be it stalinist, fascist or of any other flavor.
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