FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Why would Biden debate someone who is constitutionally ineligible for the office for which Biden is running?

AnotherAttorney,

Because the Supreme Court is about to say he isn’t lol.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Supreme Court saying something doesn't mean it's true.

...didn't one of them say, "I have never squirted beer up my asshole."?

Supreme Court may, as you say, say up is down and 14,3 is free of meaning.
That means they made an erroneous ruling about a constitutionally ineligible candidate.

He would remain a constitutionally ineligible candidate, and one should not debate one of those irrespective the stated views of that ineligible candidate's corrupt friends.

AnotherAttorney,

That means they made an erroneous ruling about a constitutionally ineligible candidate.

Okay respected jurist with “I've been called ‘a giant faggot’ but I'm medium at most. ♥️” as their bio. I most definitely trust your legal opinion over the Supreme Court.

FfaerieOxide,
FfaerieOxide avatar

Okay respected jurist with “I've been called ‘a giant faggot’ but I'm medium at most. ♥️” as their bio.

What, you think faggots can't know the law?
That's sure to be news to Krzysztof Śmiszek.

I most definitely trust your legal opinion over the Supreme Court.

I have never once lied to you about boofing hooch, and I swear on her grave my mother does not live in a house that a billionaire owns rent-free. There are multiple reasons to trust me over the united states supreme court.

mindbleach,

Don’t platform fascists.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t see the point, they are running for two different offices.

Biden wants to be President
Trump wants to be a ChristoFascist Dictator

msnbc.com/…/trump-2024-christian-right-truth-soci…

washingtonpost.com/…/trump-rally-vermin-political…

vanityfair.com/…/donald-trumps-dictator-promise-i…

There really isn’t anything to “debate”. His fan base can’t be reasoned out of a position they never reasoned themselves into in the first place.

So what’s the point?

EmpathicVagrant,

The point as i see it would be to maintain decorum and keep the structure and tradition of our election process rather than letting it continue to degrade.

jordanlund,
@jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

Problem is Trump shows no interest in decorum, structure or tradition. Neither do his followers.

Treating them as though they do elevates them.

paddirn,

He should refuse on the grounds that Trump is an illegitimate candidate who attempted an insurrection on Jan. 6th. He should say that he is willing to debate serious candidates, but that Trump should be disqualified from running per the 14th Amendment.

RizzRustbolt,

Old man fight!

Clbull,

My question is… would Trump even choose to participate in the debates if he (inevitably) wins the Republican nomination? He’s refused to even engage with the primary debates in his own party and is still leagues ahead of any other candidate in the polls.

If he doesn’t, I hope Biden takes part anyway and that Trump gets empty chaired. They could either invite some third party (Libertarian, Communist, etc) or independent candidates to give Biden someone to debate with, or give Biden a fully uncontested soapbox to ramble with the debate moderator. The latter would be hilarious to watch and would truly show what a farce this election is becoming.

Daveyborn,
@Daveyborn@lemmy.world avatar

Have a camera cut to an empty podium occasionally and I’d get a good chuckle.

Something_Complex,

I feel like we should leave debates for coherent candidates

dtrain,

No, we shouldn’t.

If they’re incoherent, we need it front and center for everyone to see.

owenfromcanada,
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

You’d think that would help, and yet after the last decade… here we are.

gravitas_deficiency,

There’s genuinely no point. All it will do is give Trump free airtime.

Arthur_Leywin,

“Debate”. If it happens I’ll only be watching it for memes lmao

Daveyborn,
@Daveyborn@lemmy.world avatar

“Will you shut up man?” Should be great

Coach,

Fucking roast his orange, son-of-a-chimp ass.

DaBabyAteMaDingo, (edited )

Why? Historically, the sitting president has never participated in the primary or any other debates.

Edit: just so you bozos understand my point, I meant debating in terms of election. I understand there has been in discussion and debates outside of elections and I’m sure Biden and Trump will debate at the very end at some point (assuming trump wins or is even allowed to be in the primary). But my point still stands lol

neptune,

I recall Obama debating Romney and Bush debating Kerry. In my lifetime.

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

Okay I was technically wrong but you’re actually wrong

neptune,

I figured some of the confusion was primary VS general, but then the thought was applied to the general so I figured I’d clear it up.

DaBabyAteMaDingo,

No worries. I assumed we were talking about primaries and didn’t specify.

Sanctus,
@Sanctus@lemmy.world avatar

Something tells me we should not be giving the guy who said he’d be a dictator “for a day” time on the air.

SayJess,
@SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Giving him a microphone on national television is a terrible idea. He will absolutely use that time to spew hatred, lies and the most absurd conspiracy theories.

His moron supporters will eat it all up, not unlike how puppies eat their own shit.

Every major news network wants this debate to happen. Think about the outrage money, it angrily prints itself!

homesweethomeMrL,

ABSOLUTELY NOT. GOOD GOD MAN, ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR DAMNED MIND?!?

PrinceWith999Enemies,

I think the time of American political debates, and to an extent American democracy, is over.

Arguably, political debates are meaningless today. When they were hosted by the League of Women Voters and the candidates had to actually answer questions, it was interesting and potentially informative. Now, it’s scripted to the point of being useless. Candidates will refuse to answer questions and simply repeat talking points prepared ahead of time and which have already been aired in countless political ads. Candidates like Trump won’t even go that far, but treat it like a campaign rally where they’re playing a professional wrestling character.

Trump decided there was no need to debate in the primaries. He’s the chosen one. I don’t see why the democrats should bother to debate either. Biden’s not going to win or lose based on the debate. It’s going to come down to turnout. I can’t imagine that there’s anyone on the fence other than whether they’re going to bother to vote or not.

Telorand,

Biden would be better served actually making impactful public statements that invigorate people to turn out. Trump is constantly trying to win in the court of public opinion, and if Biden doesn’t meet him on that field, Trump wins by default.

rosymind,

The only way this works is if each candidate has 1 minute to answer and is then MUTED at the 1 minute cut off, AND for the duration of the next person’s turn. Further, each should be seated in a sound-proof box, with a light that is turned off so that no-one can hear them or read their lips unless the microphone and light are on

PrinceWith999Enemies,

I like this kind of idea, but to be honest, I’m still uncertain of the value added by the debate format.

A president doesn’t pass policies by debate. They formulate an agenda and work with policy experts to construct a means to achieving those items. They form a cabinet, which ideally consist of people skilled in management and with enough subject matter expertise that they can provide a similar approach to the management of their various departments, and so on.

Debates are simply theatrical performances that are not replicated nor relevant to the job of the executive. They have scripted lines that they try to fit in, they’re coached on talking points and how to deflect on subjects their handlers don’t want them to talk about.

I vastly prefer policy positions published in detail and unscripted interviews with professional journalists who are not looking to protect their access but rather to both clarify points the candidates have made and more importantly to bring up issues that are relevant but which the candidates have avoided.

To be crude, I literally don’t give a fuck that the line “I knew John F Kennedy, and you’re no John F Kennedy” was one of the best retorts in (vice) presidential debate history, and anyone who would vote on that kind of thing - in my opinion - is not properly exercising their choice.

I’m okay with stump speeches - I think they’re still pretty useless for many of the same reasons - but they do give a sense of the personality of the candidate and their approach to addressing the public. That is an important factor - the charisma effect - and I think we should keep them around.

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