hughsie,
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Hey copyright people! What's the difference between "Copyright (c) Foo Bar" and "Copyright Foo Bar" from a legal point of view?

I'm wondering if I can standardize them in my projects, and if so, which version should I be using. Thanks!

richardfontana,
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@hughsie in open source this largely doesn't matter at all barring some scenarios which are unlikely to occur before the universe ends. Red Hat in recent years has been recommending "Copyright Red Hat" or a formula like "Copyright {Project} Authors". We have a justification for using copyright notices at all that I think in retrospect doesn't particularly make sense so that might get removed from the relevant internal guidelines

ebassi,
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@hughsie there is no difference; "Copyright (c)", "Copyright (C)", and "Copyright ©" all mean the same thing: "Copyright Copyright"—which is why you either use "Copyright" or you use "©", but not both at the same time.

Well, not that you need it anyway: copyright is instantaneous and automatic; the US joined the Berne convention in the late '80s, so old explicit rules have persisted.

In newly written code the recommendation is to follow REUSE: https://reuse.software

pwithnall,
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@ebassi @hughsie See https://gitlab.gnome.org/pwithnall/libgsystemservice/-/blob/main/meson.build?ref_type=heads#L106 for an example of how to enforce this through testing; or https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/glib/-/blob/main/tests/reuse.sh?ref_type=heads for an example of how to force it to incrementally improve

sageofredondo,
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@hughsie I believe you should always have the © in case court change their view or the law changes. Not a lawyer, you can ask Red Hat's lawyers for more info as why.

hughsie,
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@sageofredondo according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_symbol it's "©" or the word "Copyright" and I can't understand why we use both -- on the assumption that (c) is supposed to be the copyright character.

ebassi,
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@hughsie @sageofredondo the answer is: in the absence of direct lawyer involvement, programmers act as if anything legal is a magic spell, so they'll just cargo cult whatever, until somebody tells them to stop.

richardfontana,
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@ebassi @hughsie @sageofredondo this is almost the correct answer except lawyers are just as susceptible to cargo cult behavior and this topic provides much evidence of that 🙂

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