@whitequark I have been looking at what would have to be done to get what I would consider a baseline 'good enough' IM system for the tech union I am a part of to move to - where eg it has to function in a way that a) we don't get 'cobblers children have no shoes-ed' b) it is actually useful as a space for organising c) it feels nice to use and not aversive d) we don't get instantly fucked using it e) it can't be bought out from underneath us or otherwise enclosed - and I weep.