quindraco,
zephyreks,

Doesn’t stop Ukraine from buying drones built by Xiaomi and sold/distributed by Alibaba.

hypelightfly,

I don't see why it would. It's not like they're in a position to not buy from wherever they can.

zephyreks,

Hardly makes Alibaba and Xiaomi sponsors of war 🤷‍♀️

hypelightfly,

It doesn't affect it one way or the other. What does is their continuing operations in Russia, who started and is continuing the war.

zephyreks,

So…? How does that affect the sale of consumer electronics?

CaptainAniki,

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  • zephyreks,

    Because China (and Mexico, India, Southeast Asia, South America, Africa, and the Middle East) have not really introduced sanctions (except against military equipment)? These companies are following their government’s policy, which is more than can be said for companies like PepsiCo and Mars (both American).

    International trade is dictated by countries, not by companies. If a company is breaking the policy of the country it operates from, that’s obviously very bad. These companies aren’t trying to pick sides: their government hasn’t picked a side and so there is no reason for the company to.

    Cube6392,

    The sponsors of war list is a list of companies circumventing everyone else’s efforts to place a defacto embargo on Russia to show that their actions have consequences. When companies cross that picket line, they undermine the entire exercise, making it easier for Russia to continue operations. The idea, for the rest of us, is to in turn boycott the companies on the list so they’ll also experience their actions have consequences.

    We have that luxury right now. Ukraine does not. So the idea is that we can help Ukraine by not doing business with companies that are making extra special bonus money by selling their products with a defacto monopoly in Russia right now

    zephyreks,

    Who’s efforts? From what I can see, only North America and Europe have joined in this so-called international embargo. In fact, not even Mexico has any sanctions against Russia.

    What’s the motivation for including companies based in countries that haven’t called for trade restrictions?

    Sure, I agree fully that countries based in Europe or North America should follow government policy or relocate, but I’m not expecting companies to behave outside of the policy detailed by their government.

    DrM,

    If you buy a drone for lets say 1000$ from Xiaomi via AliBaba, 100$ of those go to AliBaba maybe 1$ goes to Russia. from the 900$ left for Xiaomi, 600 are gone for the production. 300 left, 3 go to Russia. 4$ for Russia. But if this drone helps invalidate only one russian soldier, that 4$ are easily worth 100000$. If it helps invalidate a tank, it goes to the millions. Thats easily worth it if there is no alternative

    Corkyskog,

    I have also seen people say “I buy from Amazon, because I don’t want to support Alibaba”… like dude where do you think “VURUU” brand you just bought from sources all their shit from?

    derpo,

    You mean VRCUUC isn’t a homegrown American brand?

    root_beer,

    What about Pooplunch?

    0x2d,

    what about ZHKUBDL?

    zephyreks,

    Where the fuck is the money going to Russia from?

    barsoap,

    Bacardi? It would be off-brand for them to not back dictatorships.

    xuxebiko,

    @Cloudless & I maintain a zine tracking all Sponsors of Russia's invasion at https://kbin.social/m/SponsorsOfRussianInvasion . We use multiple sources viz. Ukraine govt sites, Yale's tracker, and credible news sources.

    We also have a zine tracking business who have rejected to support Russia's invasion and have exited Russia at https://kbin.social/m/BizAgainstRussianInvasion

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  • xuxebiko,

    :)

    frustratedphagocytosis,
    frustratedphagocytosis avatar

    Not surprised that a company named after the god of war is an international war sponsor

    outbound,
    @outbound@lemmy.ca avatar

    Actually, Mars was named after its founder, Franklin Clarence Mars.

    OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe,

    Took me about 7 seconds of thinking before I realized you meant Mars. Couldn’t remember a God named Pepsi for the life of me.

    krolden,
    @krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

    Pepsi is actually named after Pepe the frog.

    bfg9k,

    Pepsi the dog

    KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,

    Pepsi makes the dogs gay.

    cantrips,

    Actually it’s named after the Pepsicum plant, which gives Pepsi it’s garbage taste.

    Spliffman1,

    I went through the same process lol

    Phantom_Engineer,
    @Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml avatar

    This war brought to you by Rage: Shadow Legends.

    Gestrid,

    (Psst, it’s “Raid: Shadow Legends”.)

    Phantom_Engineer,
    @Phantom_Engineer@lemmy.ml avatar

    No, I’m not Raid. I’m my own original game, Rage. People really need to get their facts straight…

    AphoticDev,

    You’re gonna give people PTSD.

    30mag,

    Over the first year of the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, the Russian division of PepsiCo increased its net profit by 333% compared to 2021, reaching $525 million, and paid over $115 million to the state budget, according to the report.

    That is a little suspicious.

    RecursiveParadox,
    @RecursiveParadox@lemmy.world avatar

    Wow the tankies are out in force on the comments on this one.

    wets0cks,

    Wth are tankies?

    PolandIsAStateOfMind,
    @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

    Equivalent of “woke”, but used by liberals. Generally meaning “people left of us that we don’t like”.

    thisbenzingring,

    Not really. It’s someone who claims to be liberal or progressive or a way left thinker willing to use force to make the world what they want

    People who diminish or refute Tiananmen Square 1989 are tankies

    PolandIsAStateOfMind,
    @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s someone who claims to be liberal

    😂 😂 😂

    ComradeEd,
    @ComradeEd@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    This is the problem with “tankie”, nobody can actually define it.

    You, attempting to refute that it’s “woke” but for liberals, proved that it is “woke” for liberals.

    Shinhoshi,

    attempting to refute that it’s “woke” but for liberals

    The best refutation is that woke is “woke” for liberals, but Americans fail to recognize both of their parties are liberals.

    Shinhoshi,

    Oh come on, we all know you mean communists. Why don’t you just say commies?

    rikudou,

    Because tankies are next-level communists. So while all tankies are also commies, not all commies are tankies.

    For me the biggest distinction is that I think commies are just naive and want to live in a fairy tale, tankies are actually malicious and want to fuck it up for all of us if we let them.

    Twelve20two,

    It’s original definition doesn’t include liberals. I consider myself relatively left. I’ve had people ridicule some of my viewpoints for being too liberal (I guess too center for them). Those people were tankies, but they weren’t tankies because they’re more left than me. It’s because they consider themselves to be very left leaning while still praising authoritative regimes and being apologists for them. That’s the tank part. They’re alright with military dictatorships of the past and even consider them to have been successful. They also rarely are able to admit the flaws of those regimes (including the genocides), and even if they do, there’s a “reason” for it (X might have been bad and did this, but at the same time, it also did Y which was somewhat good)

    sunbeam60, (edited )

    A tankie is someone who is pro-communist dictators, put shortly.

    You’ll find them on hexbear and other instances that your instance has hopefully defederated from.

    BaconIsAVeg,

    Is being toxic a requirement for joining hexbear? It sure seems like it.

    Shinhoshi,

    Hexbear’s been isolated for a while, and their site developed a culture of trashing on people who “debate” in bad faith, as well as some other stuff like PPB which is weird especially for outsiders.

    If you’re browsing internal Hexbear posts, you’ll find lots of posts under irony which make them perhaps difficult to appreciate. I’d recommend visiting Lemmygrad first.

    sunbeam60,

    They are easily riled and while I doubt there is intentional coordination in place, due to their fervour, they can come across like a brigade. If you speak up against them - cue the hexbears flocking to this comment no doubt - they can get quite vicious, as my comment history will witness.

    mihor,
    @mihor@lemmy.ml avatar

    Hexbear sounds like a sigma male hangout. It sure is gay to defederate such a place.

    doggle,

    A pro-authoritarian communist. Typically used derisively.

    Asymptote,

    Increasingly, “tankies” seem to cover any infraction against the approved anti-russian fervor;

    • if you are not convinced Russia blew up Nord Stream
    • if you are not convinced that Russia blew up a farmer and a tractor in Poland
    • if you are not convinced that Ukraines summer offensive is going all that well
    • if you believe normal Russian people are not evil monsters
    • if you are not convinced that Putin ordered the downing of Prigozhins plane
    set_secret,

    so given 90% of the planet believe normal Russian people aren’t evil monsters, the default position is tankies?

    Asymptote,

    One might say they’re grinding the term into uselessness.

    ThePac, (edited )

    One might say you yourself are obfuscating the meaning behind pro-russian rhetoric.

    Asymptote,

    Thanks for helping prove my point.

    Grimy,

    I have been called one just for being critical of the US military, it’s a catch all term for anyone that isnt strictly for capitalist imperialism. I consider it a soft resurgence of the red scare, I cringe each time I see it just like when I see the term lib.

    Both the pro Russian and the pro america-no-matter-the-cost crowds just stink of stupidity imo

    TacoThrash3r,
    @TacoThrash3r@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Any one turn the “m” upside down in “mars”

    WuTang,

    Let’s leave Ukraine deals alone with their shit. they are on my nerve. silly spoiled kid

    randomperson,

    You are irrelevant tho

    ElBarto,
    @ElBarto@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Mars better eat a snickers.

    vox,
    @vox@sopuli.xyz avatar

    isn’t Snickers made by mars?

    M0oP0o,
    @M0oP0o@mander.xyz avatar
    imgprojts,

    As the jingle goes…Pa pa pa pa pa… Coca-Cola…

    yoppa,

    About time. Add coke, facebook,google and microsoft too

    viking,
    @viking@infosec.pub avatar

    Well deserved. Let’s boycott those fuckers.

    polskilumalo,
    @polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    And so, nothing changed with this meaningless decision, and the world moved on.

    argv_minus_one,

    That’s not how you spell “imprison the C-suite of”. Last time I read the Constitution, giving aid and comfort to America’s enemies was treason.

    viking,
    @viking@infosec.pub avatar

    Yeah but America is not at war with Russia. Ukraine is. They might not be allies, and not on friendly terms whatsoever, but there’s still a line to be crossed before considering them as actual enemies.

    Empricorn,

    Yes, during wartime. The US is not at war with Russia.

    argv_minus_one, (edited )

    Could’ve fooled me. I was under the impression we were sending weapons and trainers to one of our allies who are fighting them. Sounds like an enemy to me.

    rikudou,

    Because you’re going by feelings and not actual definitions. Which is fine when speaking colloquially, but if you want to take country-level actions, you better have some law to base that on.

    lorez,

    But I love Mars. It’s so delicious.

    mihor,
    @mihor@lemmy.ml avatar

    It’s even more delicious now that Kiev terrorist regime hates it!

    boredtortoise,

    You do have a point… Nestlé is also as evil as they come but a KitKat® is so delicious

    lorez,

    I love KitKat too…so yummy.

    Piye,

    “Worthless Nazis and White Supremacists get mad at people of color making money”

    wew

    randomperson,

    Why do I see lemmygrad cockroaches if lemmy.world defederated from that hellhole?

    Shinhoshi,

    Your instance hasn’t defederated from Lemmygrad yet, and we won’t defederate your instance so you have to deal with expanding your perspectives.

    rikudou,

    Dealing with lemmygrad users is “expanding perspectives” as much as massive diarrhea is just “a weight loss program” - technically it’s true but it’s still shit.

    And coincidentally, most of what Lemmygrad users write is a diarrhea.

    Kirkkh,

    Wtf are these companies doing. Soda manufacturer’s are at the top in revenue generation and at the bottom in risk. They print liquid money. It’s just moronic to risk the horrid PR of looking like you’re sponsoring a kleptocratic war mongering nation (like the Ukraine just accused you of).

    v4ld1z,
    @v4ld1z@lemmy.zip avatar

    FYI: the “the” before Ukraine is superfluous. You can just type “like Ukraine just accused you of.”

    dutchkimble,

    What about The Hague

    altima_neo,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    And The United States

    Tagger,

    It’s actually a really interesting but of english.

    We include ‘the’ when the type of government or state is mentioned which is why it is just China but it’s the people’s Republic of china or in the case of a region, like the Cotswolds.

    Ukraine was referred to as the Ukraine during the soviet Union as it was a region of a greater country. Therefore using the Ukraine basically diminishes Ukraine to a territory of another country which is sorta what they’re fighting not to be.

    lud,

    What about:

    • the England
    • the Germany
    • the France
    • the Sweden
    • the Russia
    • the Poland

    Normal country names don’t begin with “the”

    “The United States of America” makes grammatical sense. “The Ukraine” or any of the above doesn’t .

    Spliffman1,

    THE Donald

    1847953620,

    The idiot.

    Streetdog,

    Except when you’re from the Netherlands.

    uranos,

    The Holland.

    Spliffman1,

    I’m looking for the hoe land

    espentan,

    That makes sense, again, grammatically. The low/lower/nether land.

    LucasWaffyWaf,

    In Dutch it’s just called Nederland. “The” is added when referring to it in English since it makes more grammatical sense in English. The Low-Lying Lands.

    Ukraine is its full proper name, from the original name of Україна, which can be romanized to Ukraine.

    rikudou,

    To “Ukraina”, not Ukraine, but that’s just a minor correction.

    fox2263,

    The Philippines

    altima_neo,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    I was being facetious

    Spliffman1,

    The UK is like an abbreviation for The Ukraine

    Cube6392,

    The name of Ukraine is Ukraine. “The Ukraine” was a USSR administrative district. The name of The United States is The United States

    Latecoere,
    @Latecoere@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    That’s the proper name of it. The Ukraine isn’t the proper name of Ukraine.

    AssholeDestroyer,

    Pepsi has a history in Russia. They once traded the USSR soda in exchange for a fleet of naval ships. IIRC at the time Pepsi had the 4th largest navy in the world. They sold the ships to Norway.

    phoenixz,

    Yeah, no. They can earn millions with Russia, so they do. Spend half on that in good PR, and you still earned millions in blood money.

    And if people get pissed? The news cycle means they’ll forget about this in about 3 days so you’re good

    JustZ,

    This drone grenade brought to you by The Real Thing, Baby!™

    root_beer,

    I think that was Coca-Cola, Pepsi was The Choice of a New Generation.

    Commercialism! Ta-dah!

    JustZ,

    Oh yeah you’re right.

    Astroturfed,

    Just another reason to not drink the diabetes piss water that is Pepsi. They lost the cola wars for a reason. Come sucks too, but fuck Pepsi even harder.

    GBU_28,

    You drink a lot of come?

    Dicska,

    The coconut is very subtle.

    altima_neo,
    @altima_neo@lemmy.zip avatar

    Vení, vidi, veni

    Astroturfed,

    Oh yes, come is my favorite. I come everywhere I go.

    Metatronz,

    If you say so, buddy.

    And009,

    Hmm

    AlligatorBlizzard,

    There’s actually a gas station chain called Kum and Go.

    Zink,

    Every time I see that name I have to pause and acknowledge that holy crap somebody actually did that.

    It’s like a much more mundane version of “holy crap that guy was really the president of the US, and for a while and everything!

    espentan,

    I almost keeled over laughing the first time I saw that.

    Edit: Wish there was one called Wham Bam Tank You Ma’am

    iamtrashman1312,

    I have another one for you. I’ve seen Kum & Gos, but these were a rare treat indeed

    oatscoop,

    Royal Crown is superior anyway, and I’ll fight anyone that says it ain’t.

    HellAwaits,

    Sure, I’ll bite. It sucks donkey dick.

    oatscoop,

    You’re entitled to your opinion, even if it is indefensibly incorrect.

    rikudou,

    Photo or it didn’t happen.

    phar,

    Have you had rc anytime recently? It tastes like store brand soda

    oatscoop,

    … they didn’t change the recipe, did they?

    BaconIsAVeg,

    No, it’s always tasted like watered down Pepsi.

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