AmbiguousProps

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AmbiguousProps,

If it’s cheap enough, someone will buy. I’m interested to know how it’ll work in this case though.

AmbiguousProps,

Nice, so congress can tell any company to get fucked and sell to the highest bidder? So much for free market republicans.

China will just find another company to buy our data from, because as it turns out, the problem isn’t just TikTok, it’s the fact the it’s legal for companies (foreign and domestic) to sell and exchange our data in the first place. TikTok will still collect the same data, and instead of it going straight to China, it’ll go to a rich white fuck first and they’ll be the ones to sell it to China instead.

And if the problem is the fact that it’s addictive, well, we have plenty of our own home grown addictions for people to sink their time into. You don’t see congress telling those companies to get sold to a new owner.

AmbiguousProps, (edited )

I posted this in the other thread, but…

Now congress can tell any company to get fucked and sell to the highest bidder (edit: via bills crafted to target them specifically)? So much for free market republicans.

China will just find another company to buy our data from, because as it turns out, the problem isn’t just TikTok, it’s the fact the it’s legal for companies (foreign and domestic) to sell and exchange our data in the first place. TikTok will still collect the same data, and instead of it going straight to China, it’ll go to a rich white fuck first and they’ll be the ones to sell it to China instead.

And if the problem is the fact that it’s addictive, well, we have plenty of our own home grown addictions for people to sink their time into. You don’t see congress telling those companies to get sold to a new owner.

AmbiguousProps,

It’s not even a ban, though. TikTok will just be owned by a US company instead of a Singaporean owned company. Literally nothing else will change, I hate to break it to you - cringe app will still be used by millions.

AmbiguousProps,

China doesn’t need TikTok to do any of that, including the data collection. They can just get it from data brokers (either by purchasing or stealing it). Because guess what? Data collection and/or sale of said data to foreign countries wasn’t made illegal with this bill.

AmbiguousProps,

Ah, so congress can just write hyper specific definitions that only apply to one company (as long as they don’t directly name said company). Got it, seems like great precedent to me.

AmbiguousProps, (edited )

I didn’t completely misunderstand, I just used the term hyper specific (rather confusingly, I admit, since you used it too) to refer to the wording of the bill. I would be surprised to see this used for other companies - the recent happenings with Kaspersky are not related to this bill.

to prevent anything similar from ever occurring

What are you referring to here? What occurred? Do you mean the creation of another foreign TikTok?

AmbiguousProps,

It’s not really a ban though, it’s a forced sale. Cyber attacks come from more than just China, and there are more companies selling data to China than just TikTok. I also see (and protect against) cyber attacks every day at my job.

AmbiguousProps,

I mean, you are correct that a complete ban is unpopular. But I don’t think that’s the exclusive reason the forced sale was provided as an option. TikTok (and the data on it) is super valuable. Someone will most likely buy it, and the data collection and foreign sale (or theft) will continue.

China is a threat, and so are the data brokers. This benefits US-based data brokers, but does it really benefit the individual citizen? I personally don’t think so, at least not from a data collection and personal privacy perspective.

AmbiguousProps,

Indeed.

AmbiguousProps,

It’s always annoyed me that it’s been commonly referred to as a ban, when it’s actually a forced sale.

AmbiguousProps,

Just what Americans needed, more ways to go deeper into debt.

AmbiguousProps,

U.S. District Court Chief Judge James E. Boasberg sentenced Easterday to 30 months in prison as well as 500 hours of community service, along with $2,000 in restitution.

All of those numbers should be higher.

AmbiguousProps,

If they still phone home to Facebook, no thanks.

AmbiguousProps, (edited )

What you said here is not really on topic, but it is literally part of DNS. I already explained it in my other comment, but here:

DNS, by design, uses authoritative nameservers, which is what cloudflare and quad9 host. These authoritative hosts distribute their records to caches (usually just recursive DNS resolvers) to ease and distribute the load. It’s literally in all of their documentation, and explained in pretty plain english on their pages.

www.cloudflare.com/learning/dns/what-is-dns/

www.quad9.net/about/

Much of the Quad9 platform is hosted on infrastructure that supports authoritative DNS for approximately one-fifth of the world’s top-level domains, two root nameservers, and which sees billions of requests per day.

When a record is updated in your domain (or cloud) provider, it is distributed via an authoritative nameserver hosted by that company. These get distributed to the root name servers, which then distribute the records to other authoritative nameservers.

AmbiguousProps,

but then once you’ve thousands of servers running the same piece of software across the globe deploying updates and features becomes way slower and way harder. You’ve to consider tests, regressions, a way to properly store and sincronize the blocklists across nodes etc…

This is what we’re trying to explain to you, this is how DNS works. Those thousands of servers? Recusrive DNS resolvers, ran by Cloudflare. All watching and caching the records from Cloudflare’s authoritative nameservers in near real time, because that’s how it was designed. You don’t need to test for regressions, figure out how to properly store and synchronize the “blocklist” (it’s not a blocklist, it’s changing a domain record or simply using a CNAME to point to the registrar) or whatever else, because DNS is continuous, and it was designed to do what you’re describing, in the 90’s.

Yes, if you’re updating your infrastructure, you’d want to test. But this isn’t that.

Ever ran into an expired domain and thought about how the registrar can just park an expired domain and make it an ad for themselves? That’s just them adding a CNAME in their authoritative nameservers, which gets distributed globally. The prior delinquent owner can still be hosting, but because they don’t have the authoritative nameserver they can’t use the domain anymore.

AmbiguousProps,

They can, because that’s how DNS works. This is why when you update a record for your domain it’s updated globally in near real time with multiple providers. I don’t know how else to tell you that it already works this way. I work in the cloud, and deal with this stuff on a daily basis.

AmbiguousProps,

Correct!

AmbiguousProps,

You’re clearly going keep nitpicking and changing the subject to things that don’t matter and you’re not willing to learn. Your misunderstanding of the fundamentals of DNS is no longer my issue.

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