Brkdncr

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Brkdncr,

Free EFI conversion for any carbureted vehicle still on the road.

Brkdncr,

Oh wow the water wars are starting a few years earlier than I anticipated.

Brkdncr,

You assume people can. Simply moving between browsers is a problem for most people. you overestimate how technical competent most people are.

Brkdncr,

No, and I will now.

Brkdncr, (edited )

I wish it wasn’t true.

Also, let’s pretend it’s operator error. What should the typical user do? Reach out to a family friend that works in Linux?

Just thinking about my extended family, I can pick out 3 people that know windows, one that knows osx, and I would be the only one that knows anything about Linux. I suspect this is the norm.

Brkdncr,

I was paraphrasing…

Brkdncr,

I would be surprised if 5% of the people that use a computer at all know how to work a CLI of any form.

Additionally, when you get a response from the command that the dependencies failed to install, what is the typical computer operator expected to do? They are already far outside of their abilities at this point.

Brkdncr,

Ooh in actual know this one: licensing. It costs money to commercially distribute the decoder.

Brkdncr,

I’m OP, I’m not unwilling. I couldn’t turn this laptop over to anyone else though.

Also, I don’t hate Linux nor do I love windows. I hate windows probably more, for other reasons. The pinnacle OS for me is OSX as distributed on the BlackBerry passport.

I’m even on an Apple phone right now.

It’s not difficult to empathize with non-technical people though, which is why my post is about.

Brkdncr,

Poor take. 3.1, NT4, 95, 98SE, 2000, xp, 10. All were widely considered to be a considerable improvement over the OS they replaced.

Brkdncr,

Just tried PopOS. I read up on cosmic de and like the idea. The first thing in a blog post is how cool their new Terminal is, and go into great detail about the changes Sadly, normal people won’t care about this, and I immediately think that this DE isn’t intended for people transitioning from Windows.

Pop OS failed to install due to secure boot. Not ideal, but they are upfront in the instructions about it.

During setup the prompt to connect an account hung. It didn’t time out or anything.

The Pop! shop informed me of some pending updates, which I said to go ahead and install. After a minute the UI hung and asked me to wait or force quit. After trying Wait a few times I decided to force quit it.

One of the apps inside is listed in the store but it’s an unofficial install? I cancelled it and will go through the manual install process (terminal, sigh)

Brkdncr,

I suspect with MS pushing their products to be based on webview2 (teams, new outlook, etc) that the next OS they release will be designed for a more efficient cpu architecture, similar to what Apple is doing. Like vista, it will probably suck until it gains more mainstream support.

Brkdncr,

Vista was a sacrifice. They needed vista to be awful so 8+ could fly.

ME was designed by the marketing team.

Brkdncr,

Because a quick search said these were two that would be easiest for people moving from windows, and I was evaluating what i will recommend to people when their machines no longer run windows.

I also tried Pop!_OS and ran into similar issues that would turn off a normal person. I’ll probably stay with it

Brkdncr,

Which is why I posted it. I was honestly hoping to be proven wrong, but instead I got a lot of victim blaming. Even Linux users aren’t ready to accept mainstream people coming from Windows.

Brkdncr,

I agree on most points except how close you think it is. It’s not 95%. There are so many issues that seem small to someone even slightly tech-savvy but are an impossible ask to mainstream users.

I think the problems are deep. You have to ask why isn’t there a distro for these people yet? It’s not for lack of trying.

Brkdncr,

You’re right but the ask we’re going to see next year is “what do I do with my old laptop/desktop now that it won’t run windows?” And after my experience with 3 distros the answer is “recycle it and buy a new one”

Brkdncr,

Same here, but DOS.

Brkdncr,

Setup wasn’t evaluated because it’s a one time thing that a normal person wouldn’t need to deal with. It also seems unfair to compare an OS install when Windows is pre-installed.

Brkdncr,

They do that for hevc but I suspect they looked at the telemetry and realized no one was using their built-in apps to play dvds? I honestly don’t have a dvd player to even test it out. my ps4/5 does a good enough job.

Brkdncr,

Most people don’t see a tinkering with an old laptop as fun.

For the casual user the issues I encountered are not acceptable.

Brkdncr,

Because I’ve been working with the Normal Users for 20 years.

Brkdncr,

I’m not. But I know how normal users operate, which is the point of this post.

Brkdncr,

You’ve hit on a good point, which is that the steam deck is an abnormal success in this space.

But you’ve also missed a point. The install of the OS wasn’t being evaluated. Daily use was.

Brkdncr,

Maybe for a same-circuit device that’s consuming more than the breaker can provide? I don’t know enough about this tech but would expect this can be accounted for in some way.

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