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Tokyo bets big on hydrogen with moves to boost commercial fuel cell vehicles - The Mainichi (mainichi.jp)

The Tokyo Metropolitan Government is doubling its budget for hydrogen-related initiatives from fiscal 2024, seeing them as key to combating climate change. While previously supporting fuel cell vehicle (FCV) purchases and the establishment of hydrogen fueling stations, the focus is shifting to promote the adoption of hydrogen...

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BEVs have the same problem. If the electricity is made from fossil fuels, it is also dirty.

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This is anti-hydrogen propaganda. Fuel cells are batteries. At least in the fundamental sense. BEV fans and companies are just poisoning the well against any possible alternatives to their product. As a result, they have become silent climate change deniers, whose main goal is now promotion of outdated technology over genuine environmentalism.

Also, there is no evidence that FCEVs are dangerous. There has never been a record incident of a FCEV exploding or even burning severely. If anything, they are safer than BEVs.

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This is more anti-hydrogen propaganda. If both are made from fossil fuels, the carbon intensity is basically the same.

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Again, straight-up BS. People are blatantly lying to you about this subject. BEV companies are spreading nothing but propaganda. It is a factually false claim.

In fact, it can easily be demonstrated to be the case. You generate 9.3kg of CO2 per kg of hydrogen when made from 100% natural gas. At 70 miles per kg, that is 133 grams per mile.

Meanwhile, electricity from natural gas generated 0.86 pounds, or 0.44 kg, per kWh. At 3.4 miles per kWh, that is 129 grams per mile.

That is within spitting distance of each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2020/06/06/estimating-the-carbon-footprint-of-hydrogen-production/
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=74&t=11

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If it is being generated by hydrogen, why not run the cars on hydrogen directly?

Everything else you said is totally false. Hydrogen cars are much cheaper to manufacture than BEVs. They are safer and much less resource demanding too.

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A fuel cell is as cheap as an ICE to make: https://www.miningweekly.com/article/new-platinum-based-hydrogen-fuel-cell-as-cheap-to-make-as-conventional-car-engine-2024-04-02

It can easily be demonstrated that BEVs cost much more than ICE cars to make, especially when it is suppose to be long ranged.

A fuel cell in a car is highly efficient. You don't gain significantly more efficiency by use it in a centralized power plant. Especially when you have to take into account losses from the grid and charging losses.

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There is less logistical challenges for moving hydrogen around than trying to expand the grid to handle all cars plus the infrastructure of manufacturing of batteries. People have simply failed to grasp how big of a challenge the latter actually is.

You can buy fuel cell powered toy cars right now. The basic cost of fuel cells is very low. People are merely looking at effect of low manufacturing rates and then ignoring the possibility of mass production. In reality, a mass produced FCEV would cost about the same as a ICE car and have the same range. BEVs are fundamentally inferior idea.

Not to mention that BEVs are close to $60k right now, despite high levels of mass production. This shows that the idea cannot be competitive.

Roll embossing: New system revolutionizes production of bipolar plates (www.fraunhofer.de)

Climate-friendly fuel cell systems, which are set to power machines such as vehicles in the future, are still rare and expensive these days. There are several reasons for this, including the complex and costly process used to produce bipolar plates — a key component in electrolyzers and fuel cells, which are needed for many...

India’s green hydrogen push presents a $125 billion investment opportunity by 2030: Avendus Capital (www.pv-magazine-india.com)

Avendus Capital’s latest report on green hydrogen estimates cumulative investments of $125 billion by 2030, across the value chain spanning electrolyzer production, renewable energy generation, and green hydrogen and green ammonia production in India.

New platinum-based hydrogen fuel cell as cheap to make as conventional car engine (www.miningweekly.com)

The brand-new platinum-catalysed hydrogen fuel cell system that has just been released for passenger cars reveals that fuel cells can be as cheap to manufacture as internal combustion engines (ICEs), UK company Intelligent Energy has highlighted in a release to Mining Weekly. The company’s patented system has been designed to...

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Platinum is 100% recyclable already. It's highly unlikely this is a major problem.

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You only need grams of it per fuel cell stack. It is not much more than what is already being used in catalytic converters. So it is unlikely to be a big problem.

Ballard announces $54 million of additional funding support, bringing total U.S. federal funding to $94 million for Ballard’s fuel cell Gigafactory in Texas (www.ballard.com)

Ballard Power Systems (NASDAQ: BLDP; TSX: BLDP) announced it has been awarded $54 million of investment tax credits from the U.S. Internal Revenue Service as part of the Qualifying Advanced Energy Project Tax Credit (48C), funded by the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA). The 48C program, which provides 30% investment tax credits for...

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In fact, in 2023, five old games—Fortnite, Roblox, League of Legends, Minecraft, and GTA V—accounted for 27% of all playtime in the year.

This is pretty much what we expected. Games are not like movies where everyone has to watch the latest ones. People play what they like, which is usually dominated by a few highly successful games.

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As I've already explained, historical scholars who specialize in that time and that area are almost without exception followers of one Abrahamic religion or the other.

This is a true ad hominem fallacy. Not just personal attacks. You are really dismissing the scientific consensus entirely because you doubt the motivations of everyone involved. This is not the basis of a valid argument.

Again, the specific evidence for this specific claim is ridiculously lacking. There's more reliable evidence of the sexual orientation of Alexander the Great than there's even sketchy evidrnve of Jesus existing.

That's because Alexander was a king, and Jesus was not. The problem with this rationale has always been the same: Everyone except a handful of nobles vanishes from history because very little was written about most people. Even then, the documentation about Alexander is surprisingly scant. Almost no primary sources survive to the present day.

Because those specific historians are religious hacks who accept even the most spurious evidence for their preferred result and no arguments against it. Sort of like you.

Again, a true ad hominem fallacy. Also, I am an atheist just like you. I just happen to not be anti-science on this topic.

First of all, no. A lack of dispositive evidence doesn't make up for a lack of positive evidence. That's not how proof works.

Second, there IS an alternative explanation. One agreed upon by everyone who doesn't believe in bronze age fairy tales:

Jesus was a fictional character based on older mythologies such as that of the Egyptian god Horus as well as other stories and the imaginations of the authors.

That is one theory by one mythicist. In fact, it's the pet theory of Gerald Massey, someone who wrote about the subject in the 19th century. It has zero credibility among modern historians, from either the Egypt side or the Judea side. The person simply didn't know enough about either to make any sort of credible argument. This idea only survives in pop culture.

Other than that, it's been a cavalcade of one idea after another. Every mythicist has his own explanation. There has never been consensus on what the alternative explanation could even be.

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Of course, anything can be wrong. But it cannot be the basis of any argument. For one thing, this can easily be applied to your position. You could be wrong too.

The people who they're basing their knowledge on for sure had an opinion on it, whether they do or not. We have little to no first hand records. Almost everything is recorded by someone who cared. To ignore this would be a huge issue with the legitimacy of the argument.

Historical scholars will be the first to tell you that this is the problem with all of history. There are almost never first-hand records of any event before the modern era. Their job is to piece together a sequence of events that is most likely based on what evidence they do have. If this isn't sufficient for you, then problem then becomes that nearly all of history before the modern era can no longer be verified.

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You really need to be more honest with yourself. Your position is most definitely mythicism. And a very generic form of it at that.

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We have about as good enough reason to believe that he existed as any other historical person. That is my point the whole time. And it is the point of all historical scholars on this topic.

If that isn’t enough evidence, and we instead insist on a standard of proof that puts historical Jesus in the unconfirmed category, then we have to abandon nearly all historical people from the list of confirmed. History before the modern era almost completely vanishes in that case.

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