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Tbh i thinknthroaways are a better solution. "Hiding" stuff selectively can never 100% work.

The reason i prefered reddit to all the other big socials was how easy pseudonynous activity is. No "real name policy" BS. threadiverse has the same feature so i like it too.

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Should still include "i dont like it" as a reason

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I guess you could use that to make your own private community?

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It is a very (the most?) common reason for downvoting and if you force people to chose a reason but don't include it, they will just lie and the whole exercise will be rendered pointless.

And you know even though it's not your personal preference, I think there are situations where it's really just helpful to know "a lot of people agree" or "a lot of people disagree". Not everything is about having a long debate with many sides. Sometimes the most popular thing is the best thing and the least popular is that way for a reason. Or it can provide useful context to understand the comments. Like if I am posting to ask advice about how to fix something and several options are presented but one of them has 5x the upvotes, I am thinking that might be the best one.

And it can tell you about the community. Like if I go into a community and I see someone says something nasty/dangerous/stupid and it has a similar votecount to other comments, I would think "I guess that sort of thing is acceptable here". Whereas if I see it has lots of downvotes I might think "this comment is not representative of the general community here". Voting based on like/dislike allows the community to express approval/disapproval when things don't meet the threshold of moderator action; especially in very permissive communities where mods do not wish to take a heavy hand.

Further more, agree/disagree votes cut down on identical "me too" type comments. They give people a way to show approval without needing to make a comment and sometimes that is appropriate.

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Is there a name for that phenomena? It used to happen to me with reddit.

Especially disappointing for longstanding problems that I would walk away from and return to at a later date. I would of course initiate a renewed effort with a websearch containing key words. I guess in a sufficiently idiosyncratic/unique way that I would find my own thread, but not recognize it. Momentarily get excited like "this person has the precise same problem as I do!" hoping there would be a solution in the thread. Only to realize that the whole thing was a little too framiliar and it was myself, last year, struggling with the same problem having made zero progress.

Do you think that's why you found your own writing? Like if I am trying to research the present question and I do a search with keywords like fediverse repository knowledge lemmy kbin URL search reddit I could imagine finding this because it is an unusual combination of words. But if I were to use totally different phrasing I doubt I would get here.

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Thanks for sharing! Looks like a lot of agreement and no opposition. Just a matter of getting it done. Hopefully someone who has the skill and time will get it on their TODO list someday.

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I didn't know github.com had referral links now!

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could you like run a cron job to speed up the audiofiles after download? using maybe ffmpeg? might be a better way

We Distribute is launching a Fediverse-themed podcast, but we don't know what to call it.

Hey! So, TL;DR, we’ve been putting in a lot of work to make a podcast for the Fediverse, to go along with our news articles. There’s just so much cool stuff happening, and we feel that a podcast format can capture aspects of this that regular articles can’t....

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"Fediverse: alternative social media"

Or something

Make it somewhat findable and discernable. Including to the 99.9999999999% of people who dont get the jokes.

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This is the place to ask: https://fedia.io/m/FirefoxCSS and check the sidebar links

If you figure it out let me know. I tried and failed.

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it's harder to do than you think. you can tell people about signal because everyone understands messaging. and telling them to use signal is/was good advice!

Trust me you will never even think to get into the differences between wayland and x11. hate systemd? excited about btrfs? it is literally impossible to discuss any of it without shared context.

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I cant follow the convo to tell if this is the actual state of things or just something thst was being discussed but:

16 Maintainers MAY merge incorrect patches from other Contributors with the goals of (a) ending fruitless discussions, (b) capturing toxic patches in the historical record, (c) engaging with the Contributor on improving their patch quality.

What an idea.

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seems like you are saying ernest put thru an intentionally malicious PR to see what would happen? And what happened was exactly what is described? I mean, ya, thats what people will do.

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@melroy I don't think you can really be upset about anyone putting through bad code. According to the philosophy as I understand it, bad code (intentionally so or otherwise) is a useful contribution and you are basically soliciting it. You supposedly have some way other than code review to ensure nothing harmful gets through and it has to do with the reputation of the contributor. Since you already knew @ernest and clearly have a bad opinion of him, how did it happen?

I did not and could not review the PRs themselves. So I am just going on the information as presented here. Sounds like @ernest put through some code (either into kbin or mbin not clear on that) which he knew was not 100% highest quality but which error was not critical or devastating. And that it could easily be found and fixed. Partially he did this to learn more about this governance model. A model which has apparently been developed in direct opposition to his own. Is it approximately accurate?

If so, sounds a bit mischievous at the worst.

I really can't recommend Tyranny of Structurelessness highly enough.

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they don't use github issues?

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Can't make a magazine? https://kbin.run/newMagazine

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How do you know the future?

If you are correct, it is very strange. Why would people who are so passionate about creating a social media platform refuse to use it?

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here we all are talking about it on fediverse@kbin.social which certainly isn't Official Fediverse comm.

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@fr0g I am in substantial agreement with you after reading all this back n forth.

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Your community members ("I do love Mbin") are expressing that they are unhappy with the mediums available for discussion and feel excluded. What is done about it?

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OP here. I was intending for this thread to be about the mbin fork and its governance, not about kbin. But I guess I kinda got answers to my questions (in so much as they exist) and then some.

I have no particular relationship/loyalty to ernest or to kbin. Like a lot of people, I just got here. I may or may not stick around.

I myself am a person who tends to become intensely excited by new projects. I can come in with lots of ideas and energy feeling like I will be comitted for a long time. But can then loose interest just as quickly. (It's taken a lot of times around the block to learn that.) So I understand why a maintainer of an open source project would have reticence to bring me, or someone like me, into their project in a position of authority without enough time (months -> years) to prove the comitment and to demonstrate competance. In fact I would regard it as poor judgement to just accept a ton of input like that. Just accepting whoever is offering energy can really lead to a lot of problems. I've been on both sides of those problems!

I started this thread to ask questions about mbin because I'd never seen an open source projects described like this. The mbin folks came in not really to provide answers to those questions, but to make insults on how they perceive ernest's personality and moral charecteristics. These based on vague but petty sounding grievances. None of these posts do much to reccomend the project to me. Sounds like waa waa waa babies. If the main grievance is they weren't allowed authority on kbin main, then I agree with that judgment based on the posts here.

Hopefully everyone simmers down. Maybe mbin can define itself in a less reactionary way in the weeks and months to come.

@radek @cacheson @TheVillageGuy @BaldProphet @melroy @ernest

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omg I literally had to check if I had written this. We are almost the same.

Main difference is that I have a working understanding about linux file structure and am comfortable with text files, but I have only on a couple of occasions even attempted anything with docker. it makes me tired to think about.

Other than that I so feel you on changing things, not knowing what actually fixed the problem. And then having to re-learn everything from scratch on another occasion. I also feel there is a limit to how much I want to learn. I have no aspirations to do this for a living or to become extremely proficient. I have spent the past couple of weekends struggling with drives and shares and permissions etc. It should be simple but it's hard and takes such a long time.

On your advice because it sounds like you are in a similar situation I will try it.

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haha good to know. :)

I was not able to complete the set up. :( I am not given up on it yet though.

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