How to make mechanically sound DnD 5E character?

DScratch, 10 months ago

In general I’ll have a theme I want to go with and I’ll check RPGBot for their take on class/race matches, spells, feats and multiclassing options.

rpgbot.net/dnd5/characters/classes/

Gargleblaster, 9 months ago

For computer games, I think dex-based characters are better than tanks.

It's easy to program a monster that will out-tank you if you're playing solo. The only time I tank is in MMOs where I have a human healer and a nuker aka the holy trinity. The one place where I might prefer a tank is any of those Souls-type games.

I would rather move faster, do damage and not get hit than tank the damage. Play a thief/rogue/assassin who will be able to handle locks. Get more treasure and faster access to better gear.

All of that being said, I haven't touched the new Baldur's Gate.

ftl, 10 months ago

Any class in particular you're looking for? It might be hard to give advice that's super general for all classes. Are you building the character with point buy, or standard array of stats, or rolling for it?

In general, the D&D players' handbook (or, I guess, the video game?) when describing the class tells you what the most important stat for that class is. E.g. Intelligence for wizards, Wisdom for druids, dexterity for rogues. Some classes rely on two main stats; e.g. barbarian probably needs STR and CON, fighter can either do CON and STR or CON and DEX. Pick a race to go with the class, one that increases the stats you care about by 1 or 2. Make sure those stats are decently high to start. E.g. after racial bonuses, your top 2 most important stats should be at least 16 and 14 if using standard array.

If you're optimizing with point buy instead of using standard array, it's possible to do better; I think with point buy you could either get a starting stat to 18 (after racial bonuses) or get two starting stats up to 16, at the expense of having more dump stats at -1 or +0.

If you're looking for a safe build, don't multiclass. You can't really go too wrong by going single-class and then picking a subclass, there shouldn't be any "trap" choices.

Other than that, lots of things are class-dependent. If you've got just one primary stat you care about, later on in levels it's important to get it up to 20 ASAP. Other characters are more flexible and should detour for some feats. Etc.

5e really feels pretty idiot-proof to me, if you do the obvious things you'll end up with a pretty good character IMO.

spite, 10 months ago

I mostly want somewhat tanky, damage focused paladin.
I’m not sure what point distribution system there will be, but I wager the one where you “buy” stats and the higher stat goes the more it costs.
I’m mostly having trouble and second guessing in regards to point distribution. Like do I just dump into one, should I invest some in constitution? Etc

TwistedFox, 10 months ago

DnD classes will fall into 1 of 2 categories when it comes to stats - SAD and MAD. These stand for Single- or Multiple-Attribute-Dependant - and the Paladin is very much MAD. For SAD characters, you throw everything into getting that primary attribute to max out, and the rest is just gravy. A MAD character will focus differently. It's better to have multiple mid-high stats than maxing out a single stat.

As a melee character, you'll need high Strength and Constitution, and as a paladin, a decent Cha. Getting these all to mid-high will mean you neglect your Dex, Int and Wis.

Most people play with significantly higher stats than the standard array, which the monsters are balanced for, but since I don't know what stat arrays or generation method you will be using, we'll look at the standard array. 15, 14, 13, 12, 10, 8

Realistically, you'll want CON as your highest stat. Staying power will be more important than pure DPS as you are the tank and healer. Smite will help with your damage output.

That being said, you still need to be able to hit things. 14 goes to Str.
Cha will be prioritized next, as this directly affects your spell saves, how frequently you can use some class abilities, and later on how strong the saving throws of you and your party are. 13 here.

Generally, I'll prefer WIS > DEX > INT here, but you can adjust it based on what saves you think will be targeted most. WIS tends to be the save targeted by mind control most often, Dex for AOEs, and INT is super rare, but also very deadly. There are arguments to be made for each one to be prioritized. Pick your poison.

For Races,
Aasimar is pretty strong. Volos versions will have +2 Cha and either +1 Con, Wis or Str. MotM Aasimar is even stronger, with a "you choose" spread of +2/+1 or +1/+1/+1 and all of them have a good doubling up of free healing if you want to ensure that your party never stays down.
Bugbears are also a strong choice. +2 Str and 10ft reach are pretty compelling options.
Dragonborn have good stat distribution too - +2 Str, +1 Cha. These pair nicely with Paladins, and the energy resistance is really nice. However don't put too much stock in the breath weapon. It's low damage, and 1/short rest.
Volo's Goliath is a strong choice if you want to lean into the tank options. +2 Str, +1 Con, and proficiency times / long rest, you can reaction to reduce incoming damage from an attack by 1d12+CON.

Finally, you can't discount Variant Human or Custom Lineage for the free feat. These things can pack so much power into you that it's worth the loss of stats. War Caster will let you tank up with a shield from day 1 without it impacting your spell casting, and give you advantage on Concentration checks which you will probably be making a lot of. Paladins don't get a lot of offensive spell options, but have good concentration-based buffs. Resilient Con for +1 con and proficiency bonus to Con saves is really strong.

If you want to lean into pure high damage numbers, the bonus feat is the way to go. Variant Human Paladin of Vengence, pick up Pole-Arm Mastery and use a glaive or halberd. As soon as you can, grab Great Weapon Master. At level 5, you get your boss-killing option in Vow of Enmity, which gives you advantage on all attacks against something for 10 rounds, with 2-3 attacks per round (2 on the round you activate it, 3 every other round). A Glaive attack would be either +5, 1d10+2 when you don't expect to hit easily, or +0 1d10+12 when you have advantage or when you do. The math has been run, and it's essentially always worth it, in a damage per round calculation, to do this when you have advantage, and if you crit it goes Nova.
2d10+12+6d8 (lvl2 smite) = 49 average damage, 72 damage max. Higher if you have a magic weapon, or better stat spread.
And you still get your Heavy Armor AC of 17 or 18.

you can easily get higher numbers with multi-classing shenanigans, but these are almost always 1 trick ponies, and often once a day things. A solid paladin can keep trucking for much longer, and if you have any support-oriented party members who will buff you (Haste, Bless, etc), then you'll be a juggernaut.

spite, 10 months ago

You don’t mention dwarves when talking about races. Wouldn’t they also be decent with + to con and str and some axes/maces bonuses?

TwistedFox, 10 months ago

Mountain dwarves are indeed a strong selection with +2 Con +2 Str and poison resistance. However, everything else about their kit is pretty lack luster, being either covered by the class, or something that is unlikely to come up in a campaign.
The races I listed above have decent stats, but also bring something unique to the character. I mean, beside the humans/custom which trades extra abilities for feats.

ftl, 10 months ago

Paladin: you'll want a few stats, probably CHA (for spellcasting), STR (for hitting things), and CON (to survive being hit, since you'll be in melee). All three pretty important. I think STR is most important, because as paladin you'll spend a lot of time hitting things with a melee weapon, you don't get enough spell slots to primarily spend your time casting things. So you want to start with 16 STR, and probably 14 or 16 of the other two.

Races: Dragonborn is pretty nice since that gives +2 STR and +1 CHA. Mountain dwarf looks like it gives you +2 STR/ +2 Con, that's pretty awesome? Half-orc is good too, +2 STR and +1 CON.

E.g. with dragonborn paladin and point buy, you could get 16 STR, 16 CHA, 14 con, 10 DEX and WIS, and 8 INT if you feel like being unbalanced. With Mountain Dwarf paladin you could get 16 STR, 16 CON, 14 CHA, 12 DEX, 10 WIS, 8 INT. That's a pretty nice spread, and probably fits the "tanky, damage-focused" archetype you want.