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wjmaggos,
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@45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub

so access to guns should be strongly regulated, to ensure they don't fall into the wrong hands. at least as well as cars.

when the 2A was passed, it only applied to the federal government (now it applies to all governments). but back then there were local and state gun control laws.

realcaseyrollins,
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@wjmaggos @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub What? This is like saying Cain killed Abel because he had a rock lol

wjmaggos,
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@realcaseyrollins @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub

I know you believe in these myths but for the rest of us, they are parables. The meme here is clearly applying it to guns. We would not limit access to water but we would limit access to chemical weapons. Or slingshots vs missiles. So the question is where do things like guns or cars fit on the spectrum. We should no more decide access today based on the understanding of weapons of the ancients or our founders.

realcaseyrollins,
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@wjmaggos @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub My criticism is of your logic here, and whether or not you feel the need to mock my religion doesn’t affect the validity of my response.

Cain would have used something else to kill Abel if he didn’t have a rock, like a club. Your reply makes sense if Abel also had a rock, or if Cain used a rock to kill like 15 people at once somehow, but that’s not what happened in the story.

There’s a reason why gun control advocates primarily use mass shootings as examples of why gun control is needed, and not things like assassination attempts or suicides.

wjmaggos,
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@realcaseyrollins @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub

where guns are more available, more people die from them (all things considered). it overrides any concept of knowing you might also get shot. places like Chicago get their guns from Indiana and Wisconsin. Hawaii has strict laws and they work. the problem in the US is that most state borders are easy to cross and too many have bought the gun/freedom propaganda to do what's necessary federally.

realcaseyrollins,
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@wjmaggos @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub Your initial reply is still illogical at best and preposterous at worst.

wjmaggos,
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@realcaseyrollins @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub

please elaborate.

realcaseyrollins,
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@wjmaggos @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub I did but you chose to talk past me instead of responding

https://social.teci.world/notice/AausAfQVdJHxxGXxkO

wjmaggos,
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@realcaseyrollins @45b35521c312a5da4c2558703ad4be@mostr.pub

maybe I don't understand. if you only have a rock, you still might be able to kill someone. guns make it easier. it's fine to limit access to these more effective tools for killing. you can kill with car but more with a semi. it's harder to get a license to drive a semi. it should be harder to have legal access to a gun than a rock. and harder still to get a fully automatic weapon. etc.

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