Basically: American teenagers/kids think Android is backwards and uncool, even though this is false; Android historically and presently more capable than iOS etc. But big problem for Google in this market. Partly driven by fact that most popular Android phones are cheap and full of bloatware. Some optimism in the Pixel sales and Google should push their own hardware more to address the problem /end
Omg its another android apple article. Its been so many years dont know why people can’t move on. Time to discuss pinephone also Thanks for the TLDR bro.
I hear what they are saying and it definitely has merit. Because the iPhone is so expensive and has a strong brand, and because they love to say “the best iPhone yet” all the time, people get conditioned to believe that the iPhone is better.
Normally in life the better products are the more expensive products. Having said that, from my observation regular people don’t really put lot of thought into phones.
As long as it works and let’s them so what they need they are happy. In talking mostly people of 40+ years old. Only techy people like us watch GSMArena videos, compare specs, watch keynotes etc.
It’s gen Z that seems to be a little more aware of brand, status and care about being in the iMessage group.
But even that seems to be US only. Here in Europe everyone I know except for 1 couple, have Android phones and when they upgrade they choose Android on purpose. Because we use WhatsApp and Viber, we don’t have the iMessage issue, yet.
It will probably change because Apple has been working with mobile carriers to push the iPhone at incredibly low monthly prices. And sadly it’s working because I’m seeing more iPhones around, especially amongst those who care about status, be it because they are rich or because they are businessmen and want to convey they are upper class.
I imagine their children will also grow up with iPhone but I think it will take 1 generation before Apple has a decent market share.
But then again, this is an island, people don’t have a lot of money, so that might keep things in Android’s favour for longer.
Google has a Google problem. Seemingly no one is steering the ship. They have a bunch of internal teams doing their own thing. How many messaging apps have they killed now, 3, 4? Allo was great. It worked on Android and iOS. I had all my friends on it and then Google canceled it. All they had to do was add sms fallback for android users, spent some money on marketing, and it could have rivaled iMessage by now. Before that, it was hangouts and regular people didn’t know about it. How many times do they think they can burn customers before people catch on?
Their pixel phones still don’t get the same amount of updates that iPhones do and iPhones retain their value for a lot longer than Android phones. Financially, it makes more sense for a parent to buy an iPhone. They can pass it down to their kid when they upgrade and know it’ll still get updates for a long time. Yes, Google can patch and update parts of the phone from the play store but good luck explaining that to regular people.
I have a lamp with two smart bulbs in it and I can’t combine them into 1 light in the google home app. The light bulbs are controlled independently. It’s infuriating.
I could rant for a long time but I’ll end with this; I don’t enjoy using iOS but my only other option is death by a thousand papercuts.
I have a lamp with two smart bulbs in it and I can’t combine them into 1 light in the google home app. The light bulbs are controlled independently. It’s infuriating.
I have multiple lights in my living room and when I say “Ok Google, Turn on all lights in living room” it turns on all lights. The key is to have them in same room in Google Home app.
Yes, but what happens when you have one room with multiple light fixtures, each with multiple bulbs, and you want to manage them separately? This is relevant to me because I have a very long attic loft bedroom. If my wife is in bed at one end of the room and I’m on the computer at the other end, I want the lights at dim at my end and off at hers.
There are workarounds involving “automations” or tricks with naming conventions but they’re very tedious and spotty. The ability to group bulbs together (which Phillips Hue offers) would be much cleaner.
But then “turn on the lights” doesn’t work. I’ve only got 1 speaker in the room. This would also fail if you had IoT lights in your nightstands and you wanted to control just the main (multi-light-fixture) light but not the nightstand lights, for example, which is specifically why I don’t bother with IoT lights in nightstands and the like.
The Alexa home app allows you to have groups of groups, so you can divide the room into separate groups, then combine them into one room group. This is what Google should be doing, pretty bad that Amazon of all people does this part of smart home management better when it’s a relatively simple thing to do.
However you should be using automation from timers and sensors to turn lights on and off, the app or voice should only be needed on rare occasions. This is also something Google is shit at, I use home assistant to manage this (I have about 200 smart devices) but there are plenty of other options.
The solution is to name every light in the multi light fixture with the same name. For example I have an arc lamp with 3 bulbs all named “arc lamp” saying “hey Google arc lamp on” turns all 3 on.
I hear what you are saying but what if I want to use the app because I’m trying to be quiet and not wake anyone?
What if I only want to turn on the lamp and not other lights?
What happens when I tell Google Assistant to turn on the lamp and for some reason, only 1 light bulb turns on?
What do mute people do if they can’t speak to the assistant?
You don’t have to answer any of that. My point is that, sure, there are workarounds but none of them really solve the issue and it ends up being just another papercut. For all of Apple’s faults, of which there are many, it feels like their engineers actually use their phones.
From the Settings tab in the Google home app, I can create a speaker group with multiple speakers but I can’t create a light group.
In the Favorites tab in the Google Home app, I don’t see a way to create a group. I can add the “Living Room” lights group that’s already there but that controls my lamp and all the other lights in my living room.
As far as I can tell, the only way to natively combine more than 1 light to function as one device is to create a room and put those lights in that room. The command “turn on living room lamp” would work as intended but “turn on living room lights” would not.
Before that, it was hangouts and regular people didn’t know about it.
This is their biggest problem, They themselves fragment their user base. We were on hangouts, you could even get your google voice calls on it, we didnt' switch to allo or duo, till they announced they were retiring hangouts. And now all three are gone.
Hangouts was dope. With a Google voice number, you could also send text messages from your computer which was pretty novel for Android users at the time
I pay little to no attention to iOS. Wasn’t aware you still couldn’t do this. I remember a time I had to jailbreak my old iPod Touch just to get a third party browser or third party app store.
Technically, no new Android phone I know of right now capable of securely unlock the phone with your face. But then all iPhone user I know prefer fingerprint to face unlock and hope Apple would implement underscreen scanner
Ignoring low hanging fruit answers like “iOS can use Apple apps” or “iOS gets more than 4 years of updates”; These are hardware specific but they work out of the box:
I don’t know if this is still true and even if it is, it’s not true for much longer; satellite SOS
LiDAR on the pro phones and faceID. Both can be used for 3D scanning
this also may not be true anymore but I had a bitch of a time getting my WireGuard VPN to automatically turn on when I left the house on android. I remember a pixel OS upgrade breaking my tasker script. Works fine on iOS.
Edit: I know android can unlock with your face. That’s not what I’m talking about. The 3D scanning aspect is what’s cool
Edit 2: I know there are things android can do that iOS can’t. Just answering OP’s question
So some iOS devices can do things that all Android devices can’t?
Yes. Op didn’t stipulate that the differences needed to be true for all of iOS
I mean I can cherry pick stuff some Android devices can do, too.
That’s not what Op asked
None of my four iOS devices can do any of what you’ve listed. (2 phones, 2 ipads)
I stated some features were hardware specific and if your devices don’t support Wireguard (my third point) then they are really old and likely not supported anymore or maybe work devices that are locked down. Regardless, I didn’t say anything that wasn’t true and I stated caveats where necessary; I answered OP’s question.
Points 1 & 2 are true for all of Android as far as I’m aware. Point 3 is also probably true for all of Android past a certain version but I have no way of testing so I disclosed it affects pixels. I don’t know what you latched onto that made you so upset.
If you can’t buy an Android device with those features, for all intents and purposes, Android isn’t capable of those features. If you think OP is building an Android device with the hardware for features 1 & 2 but stopped by Lemmy to figure out if the Android OS was capable of using the hardware, you are delusional. Context is important.
Edit: I know you don’t actually think that, just making a point ^
Technically, no new Android phone I know of right now capable of securely unlock the phone with your face. But then all iPhone user I know prefer fingerprint to face unlock and hope Apple would implement underscreen scanner
Let’s be real, if you’re security conscious then you’re not going to use this method.
Security conscious folks in the states don’t even use fingerprint readers because law enforcement can force you to unlock them with your fingers, face, etc. due to the fact that information isn’t considered proprietary.
Just off the top of my head, Android allows multiple browser engines to work on it, allowing firefox to use extensions. Android can torrent, while you can't on stock iOS without hacks. Firefox with extensions on Android is god send if you're a power user.
For someone who claims to be a power user, it's really showing… And don't forget open source ecosystem is much much much bigger on Android.
Safari is extremely limited, and web developers are starting to hate it. For example, the latest wepm video type that’s been out for years doesn’t work on Safari. It’s the only viable format for making videos small enough to not impact performance.
As such, iPhone and Mac users often don’t have the same web experience as literally every other Browser. Not many people know this, but now you do!
While i understand you are coming from, when i said its easy to develop for android i meanT that i can work in almost any os and the tooling will be available to develop. So its easier to start for most people.
I.e. easier to develop without requiring specialized hardware
Other than that, what you said is true. java is a VERBOSE language. Kotlin solves this a little
Downloading third party apps is the single biggest advantage I’d argue android has over iOS. This is highly practical - for example, I get zero ads on YouTube, and it even skips the sponsored content. This is free to everyone on Android. You have to pay Google’s troll toll if you want half of that on iOS (you cannot pay to skip the sponsored stuff.)
You can also easily, and safely install Roms on Android. This extends support for old hardware out, and gives full control over just about every single aspect of your phone.
Additionally, unless something changed recently, Firefox doesn’t have extensions on iOS still. This means you can’t use vital plugins looks ublock origin to block ads like you do on your computer.
Next we have one of my favorite features - swapping the entire launcher. You can’t do that on iOS, but on Android you can easily switch between really creative and interesting layouts in seconds.
There’s a lot of other things Android can do that IOS can’t (multiple user accounts, simultaneously running multiple instances of the same app, multi tasking apps in split screen, advanced keyboards that have gifs and such built in, direct and full access to the storage via usb, changing the default system apps, etc.), but the above are the practical ones I use daily.
Despite having an iPad Pro I would say my S23U is more advanced than my iPadOS. My S23U has better external monitor support for one, and file system makes it much closer to actually feeling like a computer over my tablet. Then there's not needing to use stuff like the Alt store to side load. And apps like syncthing make iOS/iPadOS limitations so apparent with how files sync seamlessly across my Linux, Mac, Windows, and Android devices while my iPadOS is the black sheep in that department with the limited file access when trying out syncthing equivalent apps.
Apple is a very restrictive mobile that just doesn't have great compatibility for anything that isn't Apple. That it doesn't let it be advanced despite the powerful chip becomes really apparent if you try to do anything more than try and use it outside Apple devices, use external monitors, or even want to split screen when it comes to iOS.
One thing it has going for it though is long term updates, but my iPad is pretty an expensive glorified comic book reader most of the time now. I found myself wishing iPadOS had the equivalent of edge panels and one hand operations+ so I could just navigate more easily without having to do full hand gestures.
As someone who’s struggled with the iOS file system and sync issue, Möbius is an iOS Syncthing client. It costs $5,but so worth it.
Still can’t auto-sync iOS images, because Apple doesn’t consider them files until you move them to a folder. Even setting up an automation on iOS can’t move them to a folder, since you have to select what to love. So stupid.
For those of us who live in the land of Google Pixel products or even the higher-end Samsung Galaxy gadgets, let me illuminate you on what these low-end Galaxy A-this-and-that models are all about:
They are, to use the technical term, steaming hot piles of garbage — truly terrible all-around user experiences with bloated software, subpar performance, and virtually no ongoing software support.
And when the vast majority of people in the world are associating Android with those types of devices, combined with Apple’s artfully forced perception of Android being the lesser platform that can’t keep up with its magical messaging standards, it’s no wonder folks think Android is awful. Honestly, can you blame 'em?!
The irony of talking about Apple snobbery, when high-end android snobbery is just as bad. You see it all the time around /r/android.
You know why those phones are “popular”? They’re affordable and do what those people need them to do. I know it’s hard to understand but not every person that buys a phone is an enthusiast. They don’t care about any of this, they just want something that works.
The central thesis of this article almost comes off as blaming android’s perception on poor people or people that don’t use Pixels. In fact that’s almost explicit:
With no disrespect to anyone who genuinely enjoys Samsung’s approach to Android, I’ve heard from countless people who have made the switch from a Galaxy phone to a Pixel over the years, and virtually every single one of ‘em has sung the same tune: “Wow! I had no idea Android could be this good. I had no idea what I was missing.”
That’s the Android experience Google needs ordinary tech-totin’ people be aware of. But when the term “Android” is associated with so much bottom-of-the-barrel, godawful garbage, it’s damn-near impossible to break free from that and create a positive perception.
If he’s actually heard from “countless” people that “I had no idea Android could be this good” after using a Pixel, I’ll eat this Motorola phone im holding.
You know what the actual beauty of Android is? Choice. The worst thing that could happen is every Android user just starts using Pixel.
I’ve been doing mobile device management at my last company and we handed out whatever the latest a series was, to our coworkers, for especially the cost and security factor.
And with the A52 I think, they have become really really decent phones in my opinion, I really don’t know what the hell the writer is fumbling about.
I mean personally it’s not my favorite UI and I would take my pixel any day over it, but it worked so well and was so fluid, for a simple midrange phone. Again, not my cup of tea, but for someone like my mom or whoever just needs a phone for basic social media, calls, texts, decent camera and the web… This is perfectly fine. Now I’d still get her a pixel a series over it because the cam is just perfect imo, but if someone prefers Samsung UI, the a series is incredible.
Plus idk what their current state is but Dex might already be there? Or is coming soon? Judging by the latest Xcover that got it, which also just sports a midrange processor.
Understand I dislike Samsung devices because of the bloat and their wanting to be Apple for Android, so I’m a harsh critic of Samsung.
I’m someone who HAMMERS a phone. Screen is rarely off. I run hard sync jobs (Resilio and Syncthing) all day long, hundreds of apps, multiple simultaneous actions, “watching” PiP stream while copying files to my home NAS, and navigating. My phone never gets a break.
Years ago the S4 was OK, but it ate battery for me (combination of screen tech and Android version), form factor was great but the power wasn’t yet there, plus Samsung bloat.
My current preferred device is a 2018 Essential Ph1 running Lineage, rooted, with some kernel tweaks that make it blazing fast while minimizing battery consumption as best as can, for an IPS screen.
When my last Ph1 died I switched to this A505. Honestly not a bad phone at all. It can’t quite keep up with my abuse, which means 98% of users would find it a fine device.
The author of this article is an idiot, hypocrite, or something else. He should go back to digging ditches, though he probably can’t do that right either.
I think it wasn’t about low end phones in themselves. The Moto G series is an example of a cheap phone that doesn’t include a lot of bloat. Really it would be easy for cheap phones to just leave the OS alone, keep it open so that users could update it if they wanted. That’s what the Nexus program did as well. But they don’t sell nearly as well as the base Samsungs. Samsung has more marketing and carrier relationships to fall back on, but that means more corporate shenanigans adding unnecessary nonsense to the OS like Facebook installed by default and non-removable, etc. And no updates, plus no way for advanced users to install updates
I used high end android for a long time. The note series, mainly. When I had to step away from that, I switched to LG. I fucking loved LG. They were awesome. Half the price, and damn good.
Since they’ve stopped, I’ve had the pixel 6, and an A53. The pixel 6 was glitchy AF, and Google won’t allow HDMI over USB, which is a major use case for me, and the A53 just sort of sucks.
I miss high end android. :( but I won’t switch to iOS. I hate how locked down it is, and I’ve never liked the feel of the OS. I’m considering the pixel again, but no HDMI is really fucking with me. :(
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